pointing fingures

[Woodbutcher]

HUH? What are you talking about Mike?

[Shadow Catcher]

There are a very large number of us that are well aware of the problems of long term unemployment. My current gripe is with politicians who are so out of touch with reality and want only to benefit those at the top of the food chain, forgetting when too much shifts upward (trillions in off shore accounts hording dollars...) there will eventually be a collapse when not enough folks can afford to buy much of anything.
The next couple of months will be "interesting" has the party that lost the presidency (the loser got 47% of the popular vote, how is that for irony) and may seats learned anything, or will a pledge conceived by a man when he was in seventh grade sink us all.

[jeffmutch]

There certainly are hardworking individuals who are in need of the benefits that come from these "entitlement programs". They were put in place to help people get back on their feet.

There are also people who may wonder why they would put in so much effort to take care of their own, when their neighbors have been on unemployment for years, and still have the same smartphone, flat screen tv, and toyota corolla in the driveway.

It's a matter of pride. "I built this". "I can handle myself". "I bring home the bacon".

...In fact, I bring home my neighbors bacon!

[jeffmutch]

There certainly are hardworking individuals who are in need of the benefits that come from these "entitlement programs". They were put in place to help people get back on their feet.

There are also people who may wonder why they should put in so much effort to take care of their own, when their neighbors have been on unemployment for years, and still have the same smartphone, flat screen tv, and toyota corolla in the driveway.

It's a matter of pride. "I built this". "I can handle myself". "I bring home the bacon".

...In fact, I bring home my neighbors bacon!

[Woodbutcher]

We could fix a lot of our problems with a third party. It would be called the "One Term Party" . All candidates would agree to run for only one term and they would refuse the "Washington" benefits (health Care and Pension). Obamacare is good enough for us and that is what they would get. When their term was up they would return to their jobs as Farmers, Blacksmiths or candlestick makers. Just like the founding fathers did. Without having to get re elected they would actually be able to do "The right thing", something that is lost in Washington now. There would be no carrier politicians. Those guys are a scourge on the nation. I know we have plenty of people that would actually serve under these conditions because they just want to DO the Right Thing........But I also believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy so I don't expect any real progress. Once we have more people in the cart then we have pulling it we are done anyway and right now it's close.

[S. Heisley]

We could fix a lot of our problems with a third party. It would be called the "One Term Party" . All candidates would agree to run for only one term and they would refuse the "Washington" benefits (health Care and Pension). Obamacare is good enough for us and that is what they would get. When their term was up they would return to their jobs as Farmers, Blacksmiths or candlestick makers. Just like the founding fathers did. Without having to get re elected they would actually be able to do "The right thing", something that is lost in Washington now. There would be no carrier politicians. Those guys are a scourge on the nation. I know we have plenty of people that would actually serve under these conditions because they just want to DO the Right Thing........But I also believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy so I don't expect any real progress. Once we have more people in the cart then we have pulling it we are done anyway and right now it's close.

That sounds like a good idea but I doubt you'd get most the players in the two major parties to agree to it. It could foil their plans to make themselves and their buddies richer (on the people's backs).

[satch]

There certainly are hardworking individuals who are in need of the benefits that come from these "entitlement programs". They were put in place to help people get back on their feet.

There are also people who may wonder why they should put in so much effort to take care of their own, when their neighbors have been on unemployment for years, and still have the same smartphone, flat screen tv, and toyota corolla in the driveway.

It's a matter of pride. "I built this". "I can handle myself". "I bring home the bacon".

...In fact, I bring home my neighbors bacon!

You don't know the half of it my friend

[madjack]

...a point to remember...this thread falls heavily into the realm of politics...something we STRONGLY warn against and continue to do so...as long as it remains civil, it will stay...if not, it will take wings and fly...and SC, I would like to remind you of an apparent narrow world view of which some will agree and some will not...not to mention the fact, there are millions of us in the same basic lifestyle boat(my family included) and how we got there is different for each of us..........
madjack

p.s. SC, I would also say to you, you tend to do a lot of finger pointing at and for various reasons SO, remember those 3 fingers pointing right back at you!!!!!!!!... mj

[Gage]

I'm going to stay far away from this thread. If I didn't, for sure it would grow wings.

[jstrubberg]

It's always gonna take someone to push the cart and someone to drive the cart. That formula hasn't changed in thousands of years, nor is it likely to.

All of this class warfare crap is the result of Washington (and I mean every last one of them, Republican and Democat alike) being too cowardly to make the cuts that everyone knows have to be made. You cannot spend more than you make forever, and we've been doing just that for four generations now.

This country doesn't have an income problem. We have a spending problem. Until we find a way to address that, more taxes aren't going to help.

[jstrubberg]

And slow, there has always been, and will likely always be, unemployment. I'm sorry you are caught on the wrong side of that line.

There are only two ways to deal with it. Either you wait around for someone else to fix the problem, or you look for a way to fix it yourself. I've always been terrible at waiting.

[Woodbutcher]

We could fix a lot of our problems with a third party. It would be called the "One Term Party" . All candidates would agree to run for only one term and they would refuse the "Washington" benefits (health Care and Pension). Obamacare is good enough for us and that is what they would get. When their term was up they would return to their jobs as Farmers, Blacksmiths or candlestick makers. Just like the founding fathers did. Without having to get re elected they would actually be able to do "The right thing", something that is lost in Washington now. There would be no carrier politicians. Those guys are a scourge on the nation. I know we have plenty of people that would actually serve under these conditions because they just want to DO the Right Thing........But I also believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy so I don't expect any real progress. Once we have more people in the cart then we have pulling it we are done anyway and right now it's close.

That sounds like a good idea but I doubt you'd get most the players in the two major parties to agree to it. It could foil their plans to make themselves and their buddies richer (on the people's backs).

Sharon, you would not really need to much backing from the established politicians. For this to work it would need to be a movement like the TEA party did. Basically a grass roots effort by the citizens of this country. Wouldn't you feel better voting for someone that could not really benefit themselves by being elected? If all they got was a pay check and employment for 4-6 years you weed out a huge number of egomaniacs that are trying to build themselves a kingdom of power. I know it's a dream that will never happen but the way we are doing it now is a huge Failure.

[jstrubberg]

The problem with short term politicals (or one term) is that what happens is the power gets shifted to the top tier of bureaucrats, who you have no voice in voting for at all. The chief of staff end up with the power and the political figure becomes a figurehead.

[jeffmutch]

There certainly are hardworking individuals who are in need of the benefits that come from these "entitlement programs". They were put in place to help people get back on their feet.

There are also people who may wonder why they should put in so much effort to take care of their own, when their neighbors have been on unemployment for years, and still have the same smartphone, flat screen tv, and toyota corolla in the driveway.

It's a matter of pride. "I built this". "I can handle myself". "I bring home the bacon".

...In fact, I bring home my neighbors bacon!

You don't know the half of it my friend

Perhaps you could enlighten me...

[Aaron Coffee]

After the election my employer was heard to bemoan that he may have to start laying off, due to the fact that his guy didn't win(it was apparent who he was for since there were posters in the breakroom). What is going to happen with the first little rumble in the economy, he(employer)is going to overreact and start laying poeple off to protect his profit and thus those laid off will not be able to spend and those that are kept will be tighter with their money. What I am trying to say is the employers should have certain standards they are held to.
I won't say the following is true in all circumstances, but when the economy tanked a few years back, my brothers employer was trying to fill a job(sandblasting and painting 20lb propane tanks)for $10 an hour and they couldn't fill the job, of those that would interview and agree to the job they would never show up for work, or work for a day or two then quit.