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America

Postby halfdome, Danny » Thu Jun 15, 2006 8:43 am

Choke . .choke . . sniff . . sniff . . speakers up !!

Wonder what 'the Duke' would think if he were still with us today?

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Postby Chris C » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:14 am

Good stuff there, Danny. I just sent that link to everyone I could think of. :applause:
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Postby RKH » Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:09 pm

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Postby Kurt (Indiana) » Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:26 pm

Makes ya' :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: feel proud!!

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Postby halfdome, Danny » Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:45 pm

Welcome Pilgrim. :thumbsup:
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Postby PresTx82 » Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:12 am

Awesome..! :thumbsup:
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Postby Ira » Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:59 pm

I'll never understand the John Wayne allure, and I don't know the true story. Here are two sides about Wayne's non-service during WWII:

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This is the pro side:

John "Duke" Wayne a.k.a Marion Michael Morrison always played the same character: a big, tough but sensitive hero who talked straight and met the bad guys head on.

Offscreen Wayne was considered a super patriot and was closely associated with conservative political causes.

This man's stature, style, convictions -- conveyed enduring strength.

According to Ronald Reagan: "Duke had hoped to attend the U.S. Naval Academy and was named as an alternate selection to Annapolis, but the first choice took the appointment. When war broke out, he tried to enlist, but was rejected because of an old football injury to his shoulder, his age (34), and his status as a married father of four.

He flew to Washington to plead he be allowed to join the Navy, but was turned down.

So he poured himself into the war effort by making inspirational war films.

To those at home and others around the world he became a symbol of the determined American fighting man. Duke could not be kept from the front lines.

In 1944 he spent three months touring forward positions in the Pacific theater. Duke went to Vietnam in the early days of the war.

He scorned VIP treatment, insisting he visit the troops in the field. Once he even had his helicopter land in the midst of a battle.

He never displayed hatred toward those who scorned him.

Oh, he could use some pretty salty language, but he would not tolerate pettiness and hate.

He was human all right: he drank enough whiskey to float a PT boat, though he never drank on the job.

His work habits are legendary in Hollywood -- he was virtually always the first to arrive on the set and the last to leave. He often said: "I have tried to live my life so that my family would love me and my friends respect me. The others can do whatever the hell they please."

To him a handshake was a binding contract.

His generosity and loyalty stood out, when a friend needed work -- that person went on his payroll. When a friend needed help, Duke's wallet was open. He went on to raise millions of dollars for private cancer research.

I grew up during the Cold War, and entered the U.S. Army enlisted ranks during the Vietnam Era.

My father was in the infantry for 23 years and went to Vietnam on three separate occasions.

Three of the four of us kids joined the U.S. Army.

He was an honest, good man who cared about his country. The album "America -- Why I Love Her" still gives me goosebumps.

Wayne pours out his feelings about this great nation, and we should be proud the world saw Americans the way he portrayed them.

So I say there is depth and substance to John Wayne, and I'll take him any time over Mark McGwire, (a choice of Lt. Col. Bob Nelson in his comments on the article).

John Wayne has my deepest respect as does Jimmy Stewart, Clark Gable, Elvis Presley and many others who served their country.

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This is the con side:

John Wayne, draft dodger? Oh, what delicious (if cheap) irony! But that judgment is a little harsh. As Garry Wills tells the story in his book John Wayne's America: The Politics of Celebrity (1997), the Duke faced a tough choice at the outset of World War II. If he wimped out, don't be so sure a lot of us wouldn't have done the same.

At the time of Pearl Harbor, Wayne was 34 years old. His marriage was on the rocks but he still had four kids to support. His career was taking off, in large part on the strength of his work in the classic western Stagecoach (1939). But he wasn't rich. Should he chuck it all and enlist? Many of Hollywood's big names, such as Henry Fonda, Jimmy Stewart, and Clark Gable, did just that. (Fonda, Wills points out, was 37 at the time and had a wife and three kids.) But these were established stars. Wayne knew that if he took a few years off for military service, there was a good chance that by the time he got back he'd be over the hill.

Besides, he specialized in the kind of movies a nation at war wanted to see, in which a rugged American hero overcame great odds. Recognizing that Hollywood was an important part of the war effort, Washington had told California draft boards to go easy on actors. Perhaps rationalizing that he could do more good at home, Wayne obtained 3-A status, "deferred for [family] dependency reasons." He told friends he'd enlist after he made just one or two more movies.

The real question is why he never did so. Wayne cranked out thirteen movies during the war, many with war-related themes. Most of the films were enormously successful and within a short time the Duke was one of America's most popular stars. His bankability now firmly established, he could have joined the military, secure in the knowledge that Hollywood would welcome him back later. He even made a half-hearted effort to sign up, sending in the paperwork to enlist in the naval photography unit commanded by a good friend, director John Ford.

But he didn't follow through. Nobody really knows why; Wayne didn't like to talk about it. A guy who prided himself on doing his own stunts, he doesn't seem to have lacked physical courage. One suspects he just found it was a lot more fun being a Hollywood hero than the real kind. Many movie star-soldiers had enlisted in the first flush of patriotism after Pearl Harbor. As the war ground on, slogging it out in the trenches seemed a lot less exciting. The movies, on the other hand, had put Wayne well on the way to becoming a legend. "Wayne increasingly came to embody the American fighting man," Wills writes. In late 1943 and early 1944 he entertained the troops in the Pacific theater as part of a USO tour. An intelligence bigshot asked him to give his impression of Douglas MacArthur. He was fawned over by the press when he got back. Meanwhile, he was having a torrid affair with a beautiful Mexican woman. How could military service compare with that?

In 1944, Wayne received a 2-A classification, "deferred in support of [the] national . . . interest." A month later the Selective Service decided to revoke many previous deferments and reclassified him 1-A. But Wayne's studio appealed and got his 2-A status reinstated until after the war ended.

People who knew Wayne say he felt bad about not having served. (During the war he'd gotten into a few fights with servicemen who wondered why he wasn't in uniform.) Some think his guilty conscience was one reason he became such a superpatriot later. The fact remains that the man who came to symbolize American patriotism and pride had a chance to do more than just act the part, and he let it pass.

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Postby dakotamouse » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:36 pm

Loved it! Thanks much!
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Postby halfdome, Danny » Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:41 pm

Ira wrote:I'll never understand the John Wayne allure, and I don't know the true story. Here are two sides about Wayne's non-service during WWII:


Why throw dirt on this mans grave? There are many ways one can serve his/her country and Wayne just did it his way. Those movies gave the public lots of patriotism which in turn helped the war effort and war bonds. Thank You John Wayne. :applause: :applause:
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Postby Ira » Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:37 am

I don't know, Danny. It's not throwing dirt on anyone's grave--just would like to know the true story. As you see, I gave both sides of it.

I'm just interested in this kind of stuff--guys like Bing Crosby who everyone idolized as a saint, yet beat and berated his kids and wasn't even at his wife's side when she died.

The one thing I remember about Wayne was the public service announcements he made when he got lung cancer. That takes a lot of b**** and shows someone's heart is in the right place.
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Postby halfdome, Danny » Tue Jun 20, 2006 8:47 am

Actors aren’t perfect they are just people like the rest of us. When an actor makes political statements it’s perceived that it will make a huge impact on the public & it may. I view it as only one persons view and nothing else. What John Wayne did for me is give me a break from daily life and allowed me to visit a fantasy for a couple of hours. He did his job well. As far as this topic “America” John Wayne did a wonderful job in it’s narration. RIP
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Postby repete » Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:47 am

halfdome, Danny wrote:Actors aren’t perfect they are just people like the rest of us.


Someone ought to tell them that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And also tell them that we don't care what they say or how they feel about anything!!!!!!!!

But that's just MY opinion!
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Postby halfdome, Danny » Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:12 am

repete wrote:
halfdome, Danny wrote:Actors aren’t perfect they are just people like the rest of us.


Someone ought to tell them that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And also tell them that we don't care what they say or how they feel about anything!!!!!!!!

But that's just MY opinion!


They are a whiny pissy group aren’t they. :lol:
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Postby dakotamouse » Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:33 am

I've always been a big John Wayne fan. Loved his movies. He had a handsome ruggedness that could make me swoon despite our differences in politics or his being an old time chauvanist.

Despite wanting equal rights as a woman I guess I still appreciate a manly man.
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Postby Ira » Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:54 am

I was never a fan because it's a matter of taste. Now, James Cagney and John Garfield, to me, those are different stories.

But one of the funniest scenes in all of films is when Robin Williams is trying to teach Nathan Lane how to walk like John Wayne in the Bird Cage (remake of La Cage Aux Folles), so the latter would look more manly.

He obviously screwed it up, looked totally ridiculous, but Robin Williams says, "You know--you did that perfectly. I just never realized that John Wayne actually walked that way."
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