Changing flat tires

Ask questions about Harbor Freight trailers, or questions about building your own...

Changing flat tires

Postby bobhenry » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:42 am

Changing flat tires is never fun and this morning was no exception.

While this was on the tow vehicle and not the trailer it is still a rather humorious tale of my stupidity and in my effort to help fill the void of the great story teller Ira here is my tale of woe.

It just ain't been a good week. 3 days of not speaking to ol what's her name after being instructed to shut the f*%*() up ( so I did ). Went to pack the bearing on my new aluminum 4x7 trailer and they were junk so I completely replaced everything last night. ( yes this part is relivent later in the story)

Well 8 miles from home the little low tire light comes on on the new Dodge truck. I stopped at an intersection and yep it was a little low but still appeared ok to continue so I did about 6 more miles I turned onto a little used new blacktop county road and thought it would be a great opportunity to recheck. :x It was obvious it was time to tire wrestle.

Now this is a new truck and I start to look for the jack and onboard tools to complete a tire change. Looked behind the seat and there was what appeared a removable panel after 4 minutes I decided it was time to resort to the vehicle instruction manual. Looked under several topics in the index nothing on tire changing or flat tires or 10 other topics I could think of. I finally found the section "General information" where I learned about tire rotation and the "TPMS" system (tire pressure monitoring system) all I want to know is where in the Hell did they hide the jack! :x
45 pages later there is a section on "Jack Location" Well here we go !
Remove plastic panel under passenger seat. So I grabbed the panel and pulled the front released I tugged and tugged on the rear it will not let go. WTF well the instruction say to pull front loose and SLIDE THE PANEL FORWARD ! Duh! There it is, so now simply remove the thumb bolt that holds the packet in place. OK , I would like to get my hands on the
" a hole" that tightened this thumb screw with a 3 foot screwdriver. Well finally wedged lug wrench between the ears and got it loose.

Jack is in place and tire is off the ground lugs are loose and ready but I need to get the spare out. Well it ain't the 1st under bed spare I have used so I inserted the 4 part extention in the appropriate hole and attempted to lower the spare. It slips like a oversized socket on a nut. Assuming I am not in the lift mechanism I spend 20 more minutes attempting to insert the extention tool. Deciding it has mud or rocks in it I decide to give it a love tap with an extra ball mount in the bed. Nope still slips. 10 more minutes of failed attempts to insert the extention and no luck. Patients are starting to get a bit thin. I was a professional mechanic for 10+ years and changing a tire is about as formidable a task as making toast in the toaster, What should be a 8 minute aggrivation has slowly become a night mare. Setting in the cab for a moment to keep from beating the truck to death with the extra ball mount I started to think a bit more clearly. So finally realizing if I turn the extention over and insert the bell shaped square end in the hole the lug wrench / drive handle combo will fit on the little square end I have been trying to insert in the lift drive for the last 1/2 hour. So why not try and guess what it fit 1st try.

Unfortunatly ............................

The little end I have been abusing will no longer insert into the little square hole in the lug wrench to act as a winder handle. Rooting around in the truck cross box looking for the channel locks ( remember the bearing change that is where the channel locks are they are still on the trailer from last night)I finally find a very small pair of pliers. I used them to reform the end so it will fit the handle. Tire is dropped and changed without further incident. What a lovely way to start the day arriving at work muddy and dirt covered. Oh well I can say I know how to change a tire on my new truck now :thumbsup:
Growing older but not up !
User avatar
bobhenry
Ten Grand Club
Ten Grand Club
 
Posts: 10368
Images: 2623
Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:49 am
Location: INDIANA, LINDEN

Postby Arne » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:46 am

And, he walks amongst us and we ask him for advice... sigh. :)

"I was a professional mechanic for 10+ years"

key word: "was"... it's all falling into place, now..

I must add, I have a donut spare in my Honda Odyssey. I found the spare tire, is under the rug, just behind the 2 front seats.... Right where I have a built in platform for the dog bed. I 'think' I can get the spare out if needed, but I pray a lot I'll never have to...

One time I did have a low tire (nail), I used the 12v compressor I carry, to inflate the tire to get to a tire shop.

Time will tell on this on... 142k and one slow leak.. so far, so good.
www.freewebs.com/aero-1
---
.
I hope I never get too old to play (Arne, Sept 11, 2010)
.
User avatar
Arne
Mr. Subject Line
 
Posts: 5383
Images: 96
Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:25 pm
Location: Middletown, CT

Postby bobhenry » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:57 am

:oops:
Growing older but not up !
User avatar
bobhenry
Ten Grand Club
Ten Grand Club
 
Posts: 10368
Images: 2623
Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:49 am
Location: INDIANA, LINDEN
Top

Postby Nobody » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:16 am

Bob, glad you brought up Ira's name. Your story was entertaining (& educational ;) ), thanks! BTDT that kinda thing a time or 3 :oops: .

I do miss Ira's perspective on things tho.
Harvey -

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Doing the right thing ain't always easy but, . . . it's always right!
User avatar
Nobody
1000 Club
1000 Club
 
Posts: 1196
Images: 342
Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:09 pm
Location: Benton, Arkansas
Top

Postby zippypinhead » Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:26 pm

I work in various major breweries in the US. Some of the bottle filling lines are in "clean rooms". This means every time you enter the room you have to gown up with a Tyvec lab coat, pants, hair net, beard net, and in some breweries plastic overbooties.
Well, having a bit of Welsh in my blood, I couldn't stand the idea of just throwing the coats away so I would save 'em. In each of my cars I have a zip lock bag with the Tyvec coat, pants and a pair of work gloves under the driver's seat in case I ever need to change a tire.
Wouldn't you know it, first flat in over twenty years happens on a cold, rainy night in a dirty asphalt parking lot. I was so ticked off about having to change the tire, I forgot about the coat and such until I was completely filthy. :lol:
User avatar
zippypinhead
Teardrop Inspector
 
Posts: 20
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:45 pm
Location: Northeast Ohio, USA
Top

Postby Shadow Catcher » Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:48 pm

I used to use a lab coat when working on the car and one day some came up to me and asked about it and I said "you never heard of Medicar?"
User avatar
Shadow Catcher
Donating Member
 
Posts: 6008
Images: 234
Joined: Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:26 pm
Location: Metamora, OH
Top

Postby deceiver » Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:13 pm

I loved the rachet jacks of old. Just laying there in the trunk. Easy to use but you had to be careful.

Three letters.... AAA

As I get older I let someone else do it.
Conform and be dull.
User avatar
deceiver
The 300 Club
 
Posts: 363
Images: 67
Joined: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:22 pm
Location: Maine
Top

Postby planovet » Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:22 pm

As some of you know, besides being a mild mannered vet during the week, I'm a cop on the weekends. Back in the old days we used to have spares in the trunk and we would have to change our own flats. Now with all the electronics, video and crap in our trunks, they are too full for spares. These days, the tire shop is on 24 hour call and if we have a flat they will come out and change it for us. It may take an hour or so for them to get there but it's handy. But I digress...

One night, back in the old days, my squad got a flat tire late at night in a bad part of town. I pulled over into a semi-lit, closed gas station and proceeded to try and change my tire. I got all the lug nuts off except one that would not come off no matter what I did. I was about to give up when I decided to give it one more try. I really leaned into the wrench (and I'm a big guy) and it all of a sudden it gave way. My face went crashing into the fender of the car, almost knocking me out. I was sitting there woozy thinking that I'm glad I'm not laying there unconscious where someone could walk by and steal my weapon. Once I got my wits about me I looked down and saw that I had broken the wheel stud, not loosened the nut. Well, I could not drive around with a broken wheel stud so I called for a wrecker to tow my squad to the shop.

I thought I had broken my nose on the fender but it turns out all I got was just a bad headache. Good thing nobody saw it or I would have caught hell for a long time.
:?

That was the first of two times that my face smacked the fender of a squad car, but that's another story for another day...
Last edited by planovet on Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:00 am, edited 1 time in total.
ImageMark (& Cindi)
Visit our website: Little Swiss Teardrop

I was wondering why the water balloon was getting bigger... and then it hit me.

ImageImageImageImage
User avatar
planovet
The Cat Man
 
Posts: 5583
Images: 3
Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:48 pm
Location: Plano, Texas
Top

Postby bobhenry » Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:11 pm

Missing lugs reminds me of the story about the fella that was changing a tire in a dimly lit street next to the mental hospital. In the dark after carefully removing the lugs and placing them in the hub cap he rolled his spare into place and in the process kicked the hubcap and lost the lug nut in the high weeds and water in a side ditch. Unable to find them he muttered to himself outloud " Now what" A voice in the dark from the otherside of the fence startled him as it said " why don't you take one off of of each of the other wheels that will get you going" Squinting into the darkness he made out an inmate at the hospital. The motorist said thank you for a wonderful idea I would have never thought of that. It seem you are quite intelligent why are you in there. The reply from the other side of the fence " I am in here because I am crazy not because I am stupid" :lol:
Growing older but not up !
User avatar
bobhenry
Ten Grand Club
Ten Grand Club
 
Posts: 10368
Images: 2623
Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:49 am
Location: INDIANA, LINDEN
Top

Postby Dale M. » Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:48 pm

Here's my little story about a new acquisition....

A couple of weeks ago I bought a used (2002) Jeep Wrangler.... Previous owner had put some nice alloy wheels on it including spare....

Previous owner had removed the 4 locking (dumb) lug nuts and replaced them with some "off the shelf" (not stock) lug nuts.... Anyway the locker was still on spare and "key" did not come with Jeep.... Happened by local tire shop to see if they had the"key" to the locker... They did not but there was another fellow there with a Jeep and by coincidence had right "key" to remove locker on spare.... How often do you think that would happen?.

Now where this is going..... I was looking on line for replacement lug nut (Dorman 611-122) and decided I should check the 4 lug nuts that "some one" used to replace lockers ... Umm 3/4 inch socket (stock JEEP lug wrench) would go on but when I put torque on it it slipped!.... WHAT????...

Got "star wrench" out, 3/4 on star wrench also slipped (slightly to big) next size down 11/16 is to small.... WHAT???

Turns out the four odd lug nuts were 18mm..... Just imaging if I had a flat some where in back woods and nobody around..... Anyway got all the odd sized lug nuts replaced and all is well.....

Moral of story is be sure everything fits and you have right tools and know how to use them ....

Dale
Lives his life vicariously through his own self.

Any statement made by me are strictly my own opinion.
You are free to ignore anything I say if you do not agree.

Image
User avatar
Dale M.
2000 Club
2000 Club
 
Posts: 2693
Images: 18
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:50 pm
Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite National Park
Top

Postby Corwin C » Fri Jun 25, 2010 10:12 pm

Working on the highways as I do, it is not at all unusual to give "motorist assistance" to people who are having difficulties with their vehicles. We carry a pair of star wrenches in each truck (metric & standard). You would be amazed how often it is just plain impossible to get lug nuts off with those cheap stamped metal "lug wrenches" that come with the car. In my own vehicles, after I visit the tire shop, I always find a safe place, loosen each nut and re-torque it so that my wife and kids don't end up in a bad situation someday because they can't get the nuts off AND they have a star wrench that fits (its unbelievable how much more force you can apply to the nuts with one of those.) If you watch, a good tire shop will hand torque the lugs after using the air wrench.

Please take a moment and check your own vehicles for the tools that you need. Do you have a proper spare? Is the spare properly inflated? Can you open any locks (actually unlock them and squirt a little WD-40 in there)? Do you need a special tool to remove a locking lug nut (theft prevention)? Do you need a special "key" to get the hubcaps off? Are all the lug nuts the same size (I can't tell you how often I see 4 nuts that are 3/4" and the fifth is 18 mm or some other combination!) Is the jack in working order and the proper one for your vehicle (will it lift high enough)? Do you have gloves, a flashlight, a raincoat or poncho (umbrellas are useless unless someone is with you to hold it) ... do you even know what you need to do to change a tire safely? Do you have basic, seasonally appropriate, things in the car to make an extended wait tolerable (blanket, water, snacks, medication, something for the kids to do?)

Just recently, I tried to help an elderly couple whose spare was a six lug rim on a five lug car (brand new car - about 5000 miles on it and according to the owner the spare had never been removed from the car.) Needless to say they ended up waiting for the wrecker (where I live 2 hours is not unusual, although I don't think that they had to wait that long).

Please be careful and take the time to make sure that EVERYTHING is in good working order before you leave home. If you do have problems, at least you will be prepared. Even if you don't do the work yourself, you will make it much easier for the person who does.
Corwin
Image Image Image
If I am unwilling to stand up straight before the world and admit what I have accomplished during the day, without excuses, in complete and honest detail, then I can do better ...
and no one should be expected to accept anything less.
-- myself
User avatar
Corwin C
500 Club
 
Posts: 916
Images: 78
Joined: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:27 am
Location: Junction, Piute County, UT
Top

Postby 48Rob » Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:19 am

after I visit the tire shop, I always find a safe place, loosen each nut and re-torque it so that my wife and kids don't end up in a bad situation someday because they can't get the nuts off AND they have a star wrench that fits (its unbelievable how much more force you can apply to the nuts with one of those.) If you watch, a good tire shop will hand torque the lugs after using the air wrench.


Good practice!

Making SURE the shop installs to to proper torque is VERY important.

Besides making them near impossible to remove by hand, the overtightened bolts/nuts can warp the brake rotors or drums.

Rob
Waiting for "someday" will leave you on your deathbed wondering why you didn't just rearrange your priorities and enjoy the time you had, instead of waiting for a "better" time to come along...
User avatar
48Rob
Super Lifetime Member
 
Posts: 3882
Images: 4
Joined: Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:47 pm
Location: Central Illinois
Top

Postby Dale M. » Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:30 am

Also if "star" wrench is to bulky for you..... Get a 18-24 inch 1/2 inch drive breaker bar, a 3 or 5 inch extension and a set of HEX deep sockets ... I carry this in my truck when I tow ( also star wrench) ...For example when I go to races, truck, trailer and race car all have different size lug nuts, and I have all covered... And I will usually have any size I need to help stranded motorist along road.....

OR maybe get breaker bar and the correct sockets (one or two) that fits your TV/TD application. For ease of keeping track of tools, tape (electrical tape) any extensions and sockets you carry to breaker bar so they are all together when you need them...

Also verify that your TV jack will work on trailer....

Dale
Lives his life vicariously through his own self.

Any statement made by me are strictly my own opinion.
You are free to ignore anything I say if you do not agree.

Image
User avatar
Dale M.
2000 Club
2000 Club
 
Posts: 2693
Images: 18
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:50 pm
Location: Just a tiny bit west of Yosemite National Park
Top

Postby Shadow Catcher » Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:36 pm

Part of the teardrop tool kit includes a $10 (on sale) HF torque wrench and HF double end lug nut impact sockets. I always use anti-seize on every nut or bolt I take off and replace.
And Planovet plan where your hand (or face) will go when the nut finally lets lose :?
User avatar
Shadow Catcher
Donating Member
 
Posts: 6008
Images: 234
Joined: Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:26 pm
Location: Metamora, OH
Top

Postby glassice » Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:58 pm

Wd40 and locks are NOT a good mix the 40 holds dust and dirt and out in thees part of NV it MUD and dust at the same time are dust I broke of a key and the locksmith say ed that his cash crop it best to use graffiti, I know it miss spelledt
It is not the return ON my investment that I am concerned about; it is the return OF my investment
User avatar
glassice
Silver Donating Member
 
Posts: 588
Joined: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:23 am
Location: E nev
Top

Next

Return to Trailer and Chassis Secrets

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests