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Postby O'Shell » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:38 pm

Well here it goes: I am 35 years old single from Santa Fe NM. I love camping and have recently become slightly obsessed with idea of having camp ready when I get there and set up the way I like, meaning I want a camper. I have spent weeks now researching and planing. I have decided that I like the look of the widget camper found here in design resources. I did want mine a bit larger over all because I am a tall guy 6'2" I need more head room standing and a queen bed is the smallest I can sleep on, especially if someone might happen to be sleeping next to me. :FNP
I am new to this sort of thing and a bit nervous. I have not much experience with building things. I am no stranger to tools but more in the auto mechanics area. I am good with my hands. I rebuilt my fj40 landcruiser and its the rig I wish to pull camp with. It weighs around 4000lbs so I hope to keep the camper under 2000lbs and lighter if possible. I took the profile design found here(first pic) http://www.angib.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/teardrop/widget6-geometry.pdf and eyeballed it in to sketchup using a 12' line I had placed. 12' was a good over all size and the height 6'11"gives me plenty of head room after build materials are added but still keeping the same profile. I did not copy the same line but rather used the imported pictures' reference points to draw my circles and used the scale tool. So after an eyeball import it came out to 12' 3/4" I like it. Here's my design so far.
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So I have this trailer that was abandoned near my house. It sat on the side of the road for 2 days until I pulled it home. No plate and a very crude wood "box" design. It had no removable side so you had to get in to unload? IDK... Tore it all off, it was half rotted as well. The frame is a beast very stout. C channels facing out on the sides that held a 4x4 snug but could also hold a 2x4 just as nice. The 4x4s extended out about 2 more feet after the metal stops.The center supports (see pic) were added by the same moron who built the wood box I'm sure. They are very heavy angle iron and very poorly welded if at all. The square of the main frame is again very stout and welded professionally mind you. I would want to cut out all that's marked in red and use much lighter cross bars and maybe extend the frame? Or do you think building out on wood rails enough support? I know for sure that I want to put more weight on the axle. I am defiantly putting the fresh water under the bed and maybe a grey water tank under side somewhere. I know I need weight on the axle rather than it all riding on the hitch. And I plan to have my appliances on the front (hitch) side.
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I am not entirely sure I want to use this trailer frame.. Short falls are:
A. While a stout 6000lbs, the axle is strange. I have never seen lugs like that (see pic)
B. The spring perches are unusual. Instead of a shackle it has a box to hold it from extending to far. It just slides in there I guess?
C. This thing weighs a lot. it took me all my effort to flip it over. It'll weigh less when I take the middle parts out but still..
D. It might not be wide enough.
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I picked up this old beaten up Shasta for a few hundred bucks. I planed on using the appliances but that old Dometic fridge no matter how many times I flipped it over and jiggleded it around it just would not get very cold at all. But I did score a bigger 2 door 3 way newer model that just needs a new electric heating element. I am tearing this camper down as we speak. The thing was in very poor condition for anyone wondering about salvaging it. Every panel of aluminum was dented all the lower wood panels and structural wood is rotted out. The interior ruined by water and rats. I am scrapping what I can and the rest to the dump. The frame and axles are another story. Maybe I should shorten it and take off one axle? Hummmm.. Maybe I should sell it. or better yet find a welder who wants to turn it in to a nice flat bed trailer and split the profit.. Humm?? It also came with an old 69 atwood hot water heater, is that worth a dime or should I scrap it too?
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I am looking for advice on building materials and techniques. I don't have a ton of money so that is a criteria as well as keeping it light. The older appliances are heavy but they work for cheap and they have been working a long time. I am also looking for new knobs for that stove if anyone has a source of old rv parts. Its a Sattler mfg. corp. "Holiday" Sattler went on to become Magic chef (i think)
Well that's it for now I have more to ask and to say I'm sure but I'll stop here. I guess I should get a build thread going? :thumbsup:

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Re: Greetings new friends!

Postby Loader » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:06 pm

Welcome Jared!

Looks likes great start to a nice trailer! Lots of donor parts ready to be put to use.

Look forward to seeing your build, be sure to post a lot of photos!
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Re: Greetings new friends!

Postby mezmo » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:50 pm

Welcome Jared/O'Shell

I'd forget about using that first trailer. Too small looking and
too heavy. Also those wheels look like a Mobile Home's to me,
not really meant for frequent use from what I've heard.

The Shasta seems like a much more realistic basis to start
from. If the frame is salvageable - not rusted away - cut that
down for the build's frame. The parts you can salvage will give
you a big advantage in getting the parts needed for the build.

I think any skills used in building a motor vehicle can easily transfer
to building a TTT. You'll just be expanding on them a little. Checking
out all the various builds is a good primer in itself. Just ask your
questions and you'll get plenty of answers. Start a build thread
so you can 'document' your progress, and that'll help someone
else out in the future when they start in on their building adventure -
sharing your progress and successes helps everyone!

Good luck and have fun!

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Re: Greetings new friends!

Postby canned o minimum » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:58 pm

Welcome Jared ! That trailer looks VERY heavy and way too short ! But you'll git lotsa info here to thrash thru...take sum.. leave sum.
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Re: Greetings new friends!

Postby O'Shell » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:21 am

Short trailer..
I was thinking the footprint of my design is only 1'8" longer than the small trailer and I could box the wheels under the body some just make sure the weight is centered and low balanced The wheel wells could be under the side seats, that's still 4' across in between seat to seat. A queen bed is only 5' wide.. Maybe get another axle Or shorten one of the shasta axles.. I like the tongue area better on it. Mostly I can change out the hitch end. But I have read its good to have that longer bar after the > ( >- ) I live near the transfer station I wonder if I dragged an empty trailer there if they'd let me weigh it real quick? Maybe I should come bearing cold sodas??
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Shasta...
Too long needs to cut down a lot. 6' wide gives me lots of play room maybe too much... I will need to fab up shackles and mounts as this has a tandem shackle deal. The frame has no rust I have seen. The tongue is short but I would want to put a new hitch anyway because that one already scared the cholesterol out of funny places in to new ones. So lots of weldering. I wish I was an owner and proficient user of these high powered liquid metal makers...
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As I said I am still planing this build and need input. I am thankful for all the ideas and am toying with all of it as I go. I still have half a trailer to tear down. I am being careful not to drop rusty nails and staples on the ground so I am painstakingly removing them as I go. I also lost my dog of 12 years on Friday. She is remembered here in my avatar, a pic taken during the first part of this tear down. The loss has taken some wind out of my sails but we get on and I want to get on the road. She was an explorer as am I. I am thankful for the help.
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Re: Greetings new friends!

Postby bobhenry » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:30 am

I have to agree with Mezmo that shasta frame is a much better choice for a build of your size and YES I would leave the duals ( You can always get to help on 3 wheels if necessary)

Save the little frame for a toy trailer 4x8 or 5 x 10.

Just my 2 cents worth but it's your build so just have fun building ! :thumbsup:
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Re: Greetings new friends!

Postby O'Shell » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:22 pm

So I did a mock up in sketchup of the smaller trailer and Shasta it is lol... Should of done that sooner....
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Duallys huh? I like the safety stand point but its also twice the rubber to worry about no? Adds weight too.. What are the pros to dullys? Safer ride. Easier to level. What else? Cons?? I'll be in the yard lol.....
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Re: Greetings new friends!

Postby canned o minimum » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:43 pm

2 sets of bearings to keep lubricated... with duals, ya git excessive wear on the tires due to the lack of steering of the axles.. would all that "extra" be worthwhile ? Eztra rubber,extra bearings,extra weight..?? Jus a few things to consider.

I always picture them dual wheels SCRAPING across the pavement while turning... :?
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Re: Greetings new friends!

Postby bobhenry » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:40 am

Each bearing set also carries 1/2 the load.

Each tire also carries 1/2 the load.

If you round your turns side scuff is minimal

The lift and dive motions of the trailer are dampened and not as readily transfered to the tow vehicle

Tongue weight is reduced.

and yes you can come home on 3 wheel in an emergency

There are pros and cons to everything

5 of my seven trailers are 2 wheel the other 2 are tandums so I guess I can't make up my mind either :? :?

I just wouldn't go to the trouble to make a good dually frame into a single guess I am just lazy that way :roll:
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Re: Greetings new friends!

Postby IndyTom » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:13 am

Jared,

I don't have anything to add to all the good advice you are getting, but I just wanted to say hello. You live in one of the most beautiful places I have ever visited. I had the pleasure of visiting Santa Fe several years ago for about a week on business. Just one question, is the Cowgirl Hall of Fame still there? I can still remember an evening having a great meal and enjoying more frozen margaritas than I can remember.
Any way, welcome, and good luck with your build.

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Re: Greetings new friends!

Postby canned o minimum » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:18 am

Bobhenry brings up sum VERY good points to ponder...You've got a lotta different people with a lotta different ideas and opinions on here. That is always a good thing. :thumbsup:
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Re: Greetings new friends!

Postby O'Shell » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:17 pm

Well Bob you have made your case I am sold. I still need to inspect it all (well I need to finish tearing the camper down too) but if it all looks good I will go with 4 wheels. I plan on making much head way tomorrow. I am going to start a build post. I have a few old parts that might be of interest. Is there a better outlet than the classified here and ebay? I am also looking for some key pieces also..
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Re: Greetings new friends!

Postby O'Shell » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:27 pm

IndyTom wrote:Jared,

I don't have anything to add to all the good advice you are getting, but I just wanted to say hello. You live in one of the most beautiful places I have ever visited. I had the pleasure of visiting Santa Fe several years ago for about a week on business. Just one question, is the Cowgirl Hall of Fame still there? I can still remember an evening having a great meal and enjoying more frozen margaritas than I can remember.
Any way, welcome, and good luck with your build.

Tom


The cowgirl will always be there. Its a staple. I worked there about 11 years ago, it changes slightly here and there but has only grown larger lol....
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Re: Greetings new friends!

Postby Ratkity » Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:20 am

Sorry to hear of the loss of your furkid. They are all so special.

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Re: Greetings new friends!

Postby O'Shell » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:39 pm

Thank you Ratkity. You can not understand the bond until you've experienced it first hand. My best friend of 12 years and the sweetest soul I will ever meet. She will be sorely missed.

I have been tearing down this old Shasta. I took some pics but have decided to start a build journal after the tear down or I'd have to call it a tear down/build up journal. I am close, maybe two days more. Like I said I am painstakingly pulling every nail, screw, and staple to prevent them from ending up in my tires. I am still going to have to drag a magnet around because I know some got by. So without further, I better get to it....
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