AND SO IT BEGINS! Greetings from the Pacific Northwest!

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AND SO IT BEGINS! Greetings from the Pacific Northwest!

Postby tcsporer » Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:38 pm

And so it begins!

I've got the teardrop fever, and there's no stopping it now. Been 'lurking' around here for a few weeks now, and just CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE! The way I figure... the sooner I get to posting, the sooner I'll begin to realize all of my wildest teardrop dreams and ambitions. You all seem to have an amazing community here, and I am eager to become a part of it. Thanks in advance for the wealth of knowledge, kindness, and support that has already become so evident in the short time I've been here.

A little about myself:

I'm a current Washingtonian (former Michigander) who has fallen in love with the wild and abundant land of the Pacific Northwest. The mountains (among other things) brought my wife and I here about a year and a half ago, and we've yet to look back. This area of the country has stolen a permanent place in our hearts. We like to take advantage of these great outdoors at every opportunity and the teardrop trailer, we've decided, is the perfect vessel to facilitate such activity. I think the teardrop means something different to everybody. To me, it represents the idea of escape and exploration.

A little about my intended build:

First and foremost, I plan on adhering to a strict K.I.S.S. policy throughout the course of this build (Keep It Simple, Stupid!) as per Mad Jack's sage advice. This will be my mantra. I tend to think of our teardropping forefathers as being innovative, penny-pinching, minimalists... and that the teardrop trailer evolved out of basic human instinct and necessity: the need for food, water, and shelter. Three principals at the core of any logical teardrop trailer design. This is not to say I won't be incorporating certain 'creature comforts' into my design... just that I aspire to construct a simple, light- weight, low-cost recreational teardrop, with only those design features which I deem necessary (or essential to our comfort).

;)


Some specifics:

Material: wood - I love the clean, simplistic, and natural aesthetic.

Profile: Leaning towards some variation of the Benroy.

Sidewalls: Sandwich construction with a door/window on each side. Probably 1/4" (unless somebody wants to talk me into an 1/8") exterior (okoume or something 'higher grade'?). 1x2 stick framing, 3/4" EPS insulation, and 1/8" interior. I decided that the insulation was a necessity for this climate. The PNW is a wet, wet place. I also intend on heavy winter usage. Snowboarding is one of my biggest passions, and the mountains routinely drop below zero. This puppy is going to see a whole bunch of powder days in her lifetime.

8) :thumbsup:

Roof: same as sidewalls (maybe 1" EPS instead?), hurricane hinge for the galley hatch.

Floor: 1/2" plywood, 3/4" EPS underneath the mattress/sleeping area, a la Mad Jack, to prevent condensation and promote heat retention.

Galley: simple - space for my cooler (although a built in one sounds nice :beer: , but don't forget to K.I.S.S. Not sure how difficult it would be). Space for a rubbermaid bin down low (pots and pans and large item storage). Additional space for water jug, camp stove, and maybe a couple of cabinet doors up top for misc. small stuff.

Electric: like a foreign language to me :oops: . I'm thinking 12V? Would like to power two small reading lamps for the Mrs. and I, one galley/hatch light, and a Fantastic Fan (which I've deemed a necessary item). I'd also like to have one or two 12V outlets in the cabin, as well as the Galley. This would allow us to charge our mobile phones, and run an inverter if necessary.

Cabin: shooting for a full sized mattress (54"x75"), around 5" thick? Minimal head storage, maybe just a small shelf. Basic foot storage (two cabinet doors, with a couple shelves in the middle for clothes storage).

Overall Size: undecided - help with this would be appreciated. My K.I.S.S. methodology tells me 4'x8'. It's the most common size of plywood (I'm thinking 1/2" for the floor), which could be directly bolted to the most budget-friendly of trailers, the HF 4'x8', 1195lb (Note: zero experience with metal fabrication... would prefer to keep trailer modifications to a minimum, i.e. tongue extension or reinforcement, etc.). There's also the 1720lb version. I see a lot of people opting for the latter. Are people concerned about the load capacity or general integrity of the 1195lb trailer? I wonder what the "average" woody TD weighs in at, complete and fully loaded...
:thinking:

That SAID, I'm leaning more towards the 5'x8' (or 5'x10') design. It seems that building too small is one of the most common regrets among TD builders. Both my wife and I are around 5'8" tall, so having the extra length is less of a concern for us. Although I DO think we would appreciate that extra foot of width.

The 5'x8' (or 5'x10') tear does change some things. If I went with the HF 4'x8' trailer, I would need to build a frame to elevate the floor above the level of the wheels (or build around them), and would also need to use multiple sheets of plywood for the flooring (assuming I'm unable to find a source for 5'x8' (or 5'x10') ply, which is far less common and probably significantly more expensive). This begs the question of whether or not the Northern Tools 5'x8' trailer would be more appropriate... I wonder if the cost (and labor) of building a wooden frame on top of the HF 4'x8', outweighs the $200 difference in cost of just going with the Northern Tools 5'x8'?
:thinking:

These are a few of the questions I am struggling with early on in these planning stages. Once I lock these decisions in, things should start to fall into place rather quickly.

WHEW! Sorry for the long-winded post! I suppose this entry is more for me than it is anyone else. Something to come back and reference when I inevitably become lost. Just trying to sort all of this out in my head before I proceed. I have every intention of starting a build journal when things do finally get rolling, and will be sure to post LOTS of pictures, as I know you guys like. :)

CHEERS! :beer:

-Tyler
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Re: AND SO IT BEGINS! Greetings from the Pacific Northwest!

Postby Greg M » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:46 pm

Welcome aboard. Let the madness begin!
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Re: AND SO IT BEGINS! Greetings from the Pacific Northwest!

Postby Roly Nelson » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:51 pm

Welcome aboard, wood is good, make sure it'll hold a snow load, won't leak and has a small portable elec heater..Enjoy
8) :thumbsup: Roly, So Calif woody guy
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Re: AND SO IT BEGINS! Greetings from the Pacific Northwest!

Postby pchast » Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:47 pm

Welcome! :D
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Re: AND SO IT BEGINS! Greetings from the Pacific Northwest!

Postby Vedette » Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:17 pm

Welcome Tyler
Great to have a new Teardrop enthusiast here in our Great North West.
I am personally excited, as I am the new PNW Chapter Director of the Tearjerkers, and would encourage you to join us!! :thumbsup:
Sandi and I enjoy camping throughout the North West (mostly Washington State for the past 40 years) and for the past 2 years we have been Teardrop Camping! It is the only way to go!!! :thinking:
I am currently building our 2nd Teardrop....love it so much.
We would love to be of any help we can with the planning of your build and sourcing supplies and equipment.
Please ask lots of questions before you begin. :thinking:
First off .....Build 5'x 10" !!! No Questions!!! :twisted: It will be your biggest regret if you don't!
I would also custom build the Chassis, but that is always easy for me to say as I am in the business.
Second ....Include your wife in "all" of your build. Remember she will be the "best" part of your camping experience, no matter what you are camping in. ;)
There are lots of TD Gatherings here in the North West and lots of wonderful TD people all over the country.
You will fin that they are the "second best" part of your camping experience.
I have a lot of other "build suggestions" but so will everyone else! There are some great ideas here!! :thinking: :thinking:
Please feel free to contact me. (PM or e-mail)
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Re: AND SO IT BEGINS! Greetings from the Pacific Northwest!

Postby Vedette » Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:37 pm

Just another thought.
As I don't know what your proposed budget or build time frame is???
You might want to attend a Gathering or two even if your TD is not finished (or started) just to meet other TD'ers and gather ideas.
You will truly be WELCOMED!
There is on close to you in May.....the Gorge Gathering.
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Re: AND SO IT BEGINS! Greetings from the Pacific Northwest!

Postby tcsporer » Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:39 pm

Thanks for all of the kind words and advice, Brian! It's great to hear that there is such a supportive community of teardroppers right here in the PNW. I will be sure to check out the Tearjerkers, and appreciate the invite to the Gorge gathering. I've been looking for a good excuse to visit the Gorge, and that sounds like the perfect opportunity! I will add it to our calendar. I promise not to hesitate in reaching out to you as my build begins to gain traction.

Cheers! :beer:

-Tyler
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Re: AND SO IT BEGINS! Greetings from the Pacific Northwest!

Postby Redneck Teepee » Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:24 pm

Welcome Tyler and keep us posted on the build, we like pic's :pictures:

I will second what Brian states about the 5 X 10 build size especially if your "Squeeze" is going to be in it with you. Mine is 4 X 10 it's doable for 2 but not real practical. I'm the only one in it so I'm very comfy and have a 4 ft X 7ft bed. :D
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Re: AND SO IT BEGINS! Greetings from the Pacific Northwest!

Postby Jack J » Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:05 pm

Tyler,
Welcome and there is an event coming up. Not a gathering of TD's but of the friendly folks that are in Western Washington that haven't seen each other since camping last year. You and your wife are more than welcome to attend and to join in the fun friendly conversation.

February 7 12:30, Federal Way Old Country Buffet, Washington
Washington Plate Lick Lots of choices and no clean up! This year’s mid-winter buffet will be held at the Old
Country Buffet in Federal Way.
1816 360th St, Federal Way, WA
12:30 PM, $9.50 per person (all ages), which includes use of room, beverages, and tips.

Here is some more information on Northwest event details and other information.
http://www.teardroptrailers.org/

Hope you can make it,
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Re: AND SO IT BEGINS! Greetings from the Pacific Northwest!

Postby tcsporer » Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:49 pm

Thanks Jack! I will check the calendar.
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Re: AND SO IT BEGINS! Greetings from the Pacific Northwest!

Postby mrwall1 » Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:54 pm

Welcome!! Fellow Washingtonian! I am up north in Snohomish... Happened to me last year check out some of my posts on camping around Washington... I got the bug last year and have never enjoyed camping this much in years!! This year will even be better!! Good luck and keep us posted!!!
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Re: AND SO IT BEGINS! Greetings from the Pacific Northwest!

Postby Gold5one » Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:24 pm

Welcome, I had a couple months of indecision in trying to decide what my needs were and what size of build would work for me. Cost of materials and tools/skills has to be factored in- plus the need for a suitable workspace. I built mine outside due to the 95% perfect weather in SW Florida in the winter.- I also went with 5ft high wall studding and I am the same height as you. I am so glad I didn't make the ceiling any lower. I am using a HF trailer- it's a pretty strong channel frame, IMO.
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Re: AND SO IT BEGINS! Greetings from the Pacific Northwest!

Postby tcsporer » Tue Feb 03, 2015 6:55 pm

Which version of the HF trailer are you using, Gold5one?
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Re: AND SO IT BEGINS! Greetings from the Pacific Northwest!

Postby tony.latham » Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:53 pm

First off .....Build 5'x 10" !!! No Questions!!! :twisted: It will be your biggest regret if you don't!
I would also custom build the Chassis, but that is always easy for me to say as I am in the business.
Second ....Include your wife in "all" of your build. Remember she will be the "best" part of your camping experience, no matter what you are camping in. ;)


Is there such a thing as a "third" in Robert's Rules?

Part of the advantage of a custom chassis, is that you can have the axle located where it's supposed to be –for a teardop. There must be a thousand welders in the Seattle area that could weld one up for you.

Somewhere I've seen a PDF on welding up a chassis but can't find it. Here's a good site to take a peek at:

http://rap.midco.net/grissop/Teardrops/ ... frame.html


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p.s.
I'm unable to find a source for 5'x8' (or 5'x10') ply
It's not a big problem. Read the thread titled "Teardrop Construction Techniques/Stretching Plywood".

Take a look at my build vid: (what's with 16,500 views in a year?) :thinking: Rattlesnake? Two teardrops and two unwelcome visitors t the shop. :shock:
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Re: AND SO IT BEGINS! Greetings from the Pacific Northwest!

Postby Pinecone » Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:11 pm

Tyler - this is Greg from Longview, WA! I am a newbie teardropper. I didn't build, I bought. I hope you can come to the Gorge Gathering, I will be there and we really are a family. You'll get lots of great hints and tips.

Washington State is a great place for teardroppers. I love being able to hook up my TD and within an hour I'm someplace quiet with amazing scenery. Welcome to the family and see you around the state!

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