TOYHAULER time! Our 18 X 8.5 build in NW Louisiana

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TOYHAULER time! Our 18 X 8.5 build in NW Louisiana

Postby c22narf » Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:09 pm

Hello,

Well, here goes another cargo trailer build thread. Sorry this is so long winded but I wanted to give some background. I've lurked on here for a couple of years so I guess it's my turn to contribute to this excellent site. My needs are a little different than a lot of people's build so, hopefully mine can contribute in a little different way. My build is because I needed a toy hauler/ATV long term storage trailer. We started looking at toy haulers and I quickly became alarmed at the outrageous prices that even the cheapest (even USED units) commanded. Worse yet was that the build quality in the lower priced units is so obviously terrible. My wife and I were growing very dissappointed until we met up with a couple, while at a RZR rally, that had a 14 x 7 cargo trailer that they used to haul their Polaris RZR in. They had a blow up mattress in it with only a porta-pooper and a folding table with a microwave on it and a couple of coolers on the floor.

EUREKA! Problem solved! I figured that we could do something very similar but even more "finished out" and we'd have us a toyhauler! So, 10 minutes of Googling and I began to see that this might be fun and even rewarding. Very early on I found this site, TNTTT, and I was hooked! I'd like to say thanks to all the folks that have contributed their time to publish such helpful works on this site, I have gleaned MUCH knowledge on this site. This leads me to the "it's my turn" to contribute.

OK, so the hunt is on for a trailer, at first I was going for the same size as our ATV friend's (14 x 7) but some quick calculations determinded that if we were serious about this being a camper/toy hauler then we'd need to step it up to 16 x 8.5 or so. I have imposed 2 major qualifications for this build, 1.) it HAD to be a "budget" build and 2.) I needed to keep the building material light if I wanted the overall unit to remain relatively light weight.

Since finding a nice used one proved fruitless, we settled on a custom unit from Hurricane Cargo (now Husky Cargo) in Fitzgerald Georgia. It was ready within 2-3 weeks so we drove from our home in NW Louisiana to go pick it up. I was very pleased with the trailer and it was exactly as I had requested except for the v-nose (more on that in a minute) and also, they installed the dovetail flooring in the rear when I asked for it to be removed, not a big deal, it makes the rear ramp door a little taller.

The base model 16 x 8.5 was $3430, it was only $200 more to make it 18' so I figured I'd better get it, because if I didn't get it I'd regret not having that additional 2'. We also wanted a little more headroom (and ramp door entrance height for our RZR) so we paid $180 ($10/ft) for 6" extra height bringing it to a toal of 7' interior height. We also paid $10/foot extra to have the floor done in pressure treated 3/4" plywood and $10/foot for the next thicker outer skin (.024 to .030 thickness). We also wanted a sharper v-nose, thinking that it may help with fuel. The standard was 2' v-nose and it was $180 to upgrade to 3' and, much to our surprise, when we picked it up they had made it a 4' v-nose, this makes for a perfect 90 degree corner up front....much easier when we eventually install the shower stall up there :) Add a spare tire for $100 and we're up to $4450. They had an optional "upgrade" package that had extra chrome and a couple other doo-dads but the really important thing was the screwless outer skin and the one piece aluminum roof (as opposed to the 8' sections of galvalume roofing), this package was only $200 extra so I figured, go for it. If you've kept up with the math (and if my math is right) we got all of this for $4650 rigged and ready to roll.

OK, so we get it home....wow, this thing is HUGE. Way bigger than the original 14L x 7W x 6.5H that we started out with in mind. It barely fit in our driveway! So let the build begin! .....So.... a year passes and nothing has happened, everytime we go on fourwheeling trips we stay at cabins or motels so, there hasn't been a real need to get this thing done. And, since my RZR fits in the back of my truck...well, the build just got pushed to the back burner. Finally, last fall I saw another friend who did a conversion and that lit the spark again, so since November 2013 I've been putting time in it here and there. This is our build to date:


This is why I was able to put it off so long.

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Here it is, hogging up my driveway. BTW, notice the REALLY tiny camper in fron of it, it's a motorcycle popup that we used to pull behind out Goldwing.
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I won't bore you with minor details, there are enough excellent builds threads on TNTTT that cover the details of what I did. One thing that I did do though was to pull down one section of the plywood wall at a time, insulate behind it then put the plywood right back up before going to the next sheet of plywood. I did this because I didn't want to remove ALL of the plywood and the trailer looses some of it's rigidity and possibly flex or bow just enough that the screws wouldn't realign in the holes that they came out of. It worked out for me, I only had to redrill 5-6 holes and that was only because the holes were stripped out.

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Starting to put up the new interior. That's the 34" X 48" wainscot from Home Depot on the bottom, about $15 each. I think that this is about the most expensive build item so far. The white panel board above the wainscot is about $14 per 4 X 8 sheet, it's only 3/16" thick so it's fairly light weight.

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Next is ceiling time! Same 3/4" Styrofoam insulation up top (or is it 1"? I can't remember) for about $15 per 4 X 8 sheet. Cover the insulation up with 1/8" 4 X 8 luan sheets at about $12.50 per sheet.

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Gotta kill a snake every now and then. I left my tape measure in my house so I walked over to the door and looked down and this SOB was scootin' right in front of my door! I don't have a problem with snakes, as long as they stay away from my house. It's hard to really tell but this cotton mouth was almost 5' long and as big around as my wrist. Shovels ROCK! lol!

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OK, more in just a little bit, have to go feed the dog....

MIKE
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Re: TOYHAULER time! Our 18 X 8.5 build in NW Louisiana

Postby c22narf » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:32 am

More ceiling panels up, when all luan panels are up I paint the ceiling white.

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I just used the el cheap-o 1" X 3" pine wood for the trim. I sent it through my planer to take about 1/4" inch off of the thickness. For the ceiling strips I just bought a 2" X 6" and cut it into (just guessing) about 3/16" thick strips. Stained them a light color with Minwax stain/sealer. And screwed the ceiling strips up and brad nailed the other trim.

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Rolled on a nice thick couple of coats of brownish/tanish/yellowish deck paint and now I'm ready to finish with the baseboards (same material as the chair rail and crown molding).

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Base boards are done. Whew, just in the nick of time. We are leaving next week for a 5 day ride up into the Ozark mountains. BIG RZR rally up there and guess what, all cabins were booked. Gotta camp or drive 25 miles one way back into town to stay in a motel room.... We'll be camping!

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We'll just toss a bed in there for this upcoming ride but I plan to have a bed in the rear that folds down from the wall when the RZR isn't in it. Also, just for this ride I'm going to string an extension cord (or two) through the floor and only have a table with a microwave and a coffee maker on it. An electric heater and 12v lighting will round out our utilities on this trip. We have a nice jack knife sofa/sleeper that will go in this coming weekend and we'll throw a couple of area rugs and we're good to go.

I'll work on this trailer more after we return from our fourwheeler trip (RZRBack Rally). We plan to put a very inexpensive shower in the front v-nose http://www.homedepot.com/p/Durastall-32-in-x-32-in-Shower-Stall-with-Standard-Base-in-White-68/202899038and a porta-potty up in the front. We'll put a small kitchen up there too but we still have to figure out exactly how we're going to set it up. We managed to scavenge a 40 gallon fresh water tank, a black water tank an awning a 4-burner stove/oven, a 12v electrical system and a 30amp electrical system and 6-7 nice windows out of a 93 prowler bumper pull. Unfortunately the AC system and the fridge didn't work. No problems on that though, we're going to put a portable A/C unit in there as summer gets closer and we bought a nice dorm style fridge/freezer that's 110v only. We'll post pictures every now and then as the build progresses but I'm betting that it'll happen at the speed of a rather slow mosey. Thanks for reading. MIKE
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Re: TOYHAULER time! Our 18 X 8.5 build in NW Louisiana

Postby Banjo » Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:26 am

Starting to put up the new interior. That's the 34" X 48" wainscot from Home Depot on the bottom, about $15 each. I think that this is about the most expensive build item so far. The white panel board above the wainscot is about $14 per 4 X 8 sheet, it's only 3/16" thick so it's fairly light weight.

You are going to have a great build there when finished . I will be starting my second 6x12 build this summer . I also want wainscot and have checked Home Depot and Lowes , but have only seen it made from birch on a wood backing , 3/16 I believe for 38 /39 $ for 4x8 sheet . Lowes had a finish on it for 39$ . How did you find it for 15$ ,is it a plYwood backing or not ? I think I may have seen some finished in white and was not a ply backing .
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Re: TOYHAULER time! Our 18 X 8.5 build in NW Louisiana

Postby OverTheTopCargoTrailer » Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:05 am

Nice Build

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Re: TOYHAULER time! Our 18 X 8.5 build in NW Louisiana

Postby jwhite » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:14 am

What ever you do don't buy a portable AC they don't work unless you only want to use it after dark but during the day you have to sit right in front of it to feel any cool air, others will agree that after they tried them they don't work.
I bought a 13000 btu thinking it would be overkill but would not keep my 7x16 cool, I bought a 8000 btu window unit for half the money and in the summer within 30 minutes I have to turn it down.
I did not want to install mine in the wall so I built a false wall that has wheels so I can open and close it, I put a screen door so I go out the back door.
I also made a couple plugs out of the insulation so I can take them in or out.
I have photos in my album.
You have a nice looking trailer started and you will be glad you went as large as you did because it will fill up fast when you install everything you want.
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Re: TOYHAULER time! Our 18 X 8.5 build in NW Louisiana

Postby hankaye » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:23 am

c22narf, Howdy;

Looks like you have an excellent start to your build. :thumbsup:
When you go to install your 40 gallon water tank remember that water weighs
in at about 8 pounds/gallon (+/- a wee bit), and effect the balance and the
handling of the trailer. Looking forward to more pix and see how you finish.

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Re: TOYHAULER time! Our 18 X 8.5 build in NW Louisiana

Postby c22narf » Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:58 pm

Banjo, That's the stuff. They just cut it into thirds (32", not the 34" that I said in my post) and get $15 per 1/3 sheets. I could've saved a couple bucks by buying the 4' X 8' sheets of the birch wainscot but I figured it's be a lot easier to handle if they were pre cut. This stuff had a finish already on it. I think they also had it in white.

Jwhite , I've definitely heard the negative comments toward the portable A/C units. Only reason I'm even going to use one is because I already have one. I agree with the low performance of them, I have a 10,000 btu window unit that probably doubles the cold air output of the 13,000 btu portable. I wonder how they can be so over rated? Maybe on the portables they are rated in the seldom used Bangladesh Thermal Unit instead of British.....hmmm, might be onto something. The other reason we're going to try using it is because we are generally out during the day. Also, we don't go riding much when it's hot, this is typically a spring/fall hobby for us. But, if it fails us miserably then I think I'm going to recess a 10,000 window unit into the trailer. I tried to understand what you were saying about the false wall but couldn't get it until I went to your album. WOW, that is cool! I might have to work something like that into our build. My wife was trying to figure out how to cover up the ramp...false wall? :thinking:

Hankaye, thanks for the input. This thing is really going to be tongue heavy when done, I'm hoping that the 1100 lb. fourwheeler will be able to fully counter the weight that ends up going in front of the wheels, the water will really contribute greatly to the load but there is really only one place to put it and that's right in front of the wheel well so, not much help there. We'll cross that bridge when we get there.

Thanks for all the nice comments, we'll post up occasionally but, I'm pretty sure it'll be slow going from this point on. MIKE
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Re: TOYHAULER time! Our 18 X 8.5 build in NW Louisiana

Postby Banjo » Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:49 am

Thanks for the reply . The wainscot looks nice and I will put it into mine also . I will use it as 4 foot on the wall . It will be worth paying the price for it . I also bought some salvaged venzuwayla (sp) mahogony dirt cheap that come off a boathouse . 1/18 inch rough sawn and 10 inches wide that I will use for cabinets . Going to be a while before I can start it though . Bob
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