Aerodynamic of the reverse tear...

Design & Construction of anything that's not a teardrop e.g. Grasshoppers or Sunspots

Postby angib » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:55 am

artwebb wrote:the consensus being that the dirty air is still air, and the aerodynamics of a vehicle do matter, even in dirty air.

I think it's important not to mix up two different things:

- 'Dirty air' to me implies air that has previously travelled over/around another body some distance ahead. This will cause disrupted flow over a following body but won't reduce its drag by much, if at all. A good example is how big-winged racecars lose lift when following another one.

- 'Wake' is another matter. This is the air that is being dragged along behind a vehicle and so a following vehicle will experience substantially reduced drag. In this case, the shape of the trailer won't make much difference, unless parts of it extend out of the wake.

I would say that a teardrop at a conventional distance behind the tow vehicle is mostly in the 'wake' condition, but with its outer edges (top, sides) in the 'dirty air' condition. So neither clearly one thing nor the other!

artwebb wrote:the let in bracing was to counteract the massive air pressure (aerodynamic force) of an unaerodynamic design.

Before we see a spate of little trailers built with 'wind bracing', it would be good to make it clear that this isn't needed if the trailer body is clad in sheets of plywood which is glued and/or securely nailed in place.

bobhenry's barn looks like it's clad in strip wood, but I see from his album that there's plywood underneath:

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In this case, the plywood itself acts as perfectly good 'wind bracing'. Wind bracing may be needed on houses, where the attachment of the plywood skin is so flimsy that the joints don't achieve the full strength of the plywood, but that isn't the case in a well-built trailer.

If this doesn't seem 'right', just scale up a trailer body to the size of a house - a house sheeted on all sides with one continuous sheet of 3" thick ply glued to the framing wouldn't need wind bracing either.

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Postby angib » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:16 pm


Undiluted marketing bull***t, mostly. The sloping roof at the tail and the rounded front corners might well be benefits but the 'rolling motion' along the roof is pure gibberish, unless it's meant to describe how all those roof air conditioners destroy any idea of good airflow.....

Sloping trailer fronts were adopted in Europe not to reduce drag (which on their own they don't) but to reduce/eliminate front lift and hence maintain stability.

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Postby rowerwet » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:38 pm

in racing the car in front gets a reduction in drag from the car drafting behind him, the most cited racing for this is nascar where a train of three cars can pass two cars drafting and one car by itself will be passed easily. the cars behind have extra throttle that can be used to "slingshot" around the guy in front of them at the right moment, but if nobody follows them they loose that inertia to drag quickly.
If your TD is the same height or shorter it doesn't add to any drag, and considering the blocky designs cars have these days the tapered end may clean up the airflow in the back a bit. This could explain the lack of a large drop in MPG despite the added rolling resistance of another axle and the extra weight of the trailer, every 400 lb decreases MPG by 1 according to the govt.
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Postby Ageless » Mon Jan 04, 2010 2:04 pm

NASCAR is also doiing close to 2000 mph. Big difference in aero at those speeds. Basically, any aerodynamic effects are small at speeds less than 85 mph. The only real effective tool at lower speeds are front and side air dams; the underside of a TV is very non-aero.
Note the aero drawing of the Euro-trailer; no TV shown with airflow in front.
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Postby artwebb » Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:29 am

Indeed they don't show the aero with a tow vehicle in front, and angib makes a VERY valid point about the tear being mostly in the TV's wake. I did say a towed vehicle that was close to the TV's height had much less to worry about aerodynamicaly, and it wasn't that big a boo.
But it doesn't render the trailer's aero meaningless, just less meaningful.
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Postby Prem » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:43 am

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Postby Conestoga » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:03 am

nice article! thank you.

Prem wrote:http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/Spinoff2008/t_3.html

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Postby Conestoga » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:06 am

I'm a trailer newbie and learning...

My own logic and what I've read has got me believing there is a small drop in fuel economy when towing a tear that is at or below the height of the tow vehicle, just how much (if any) depends on many other factors.

Andrew mentioned drag and wake. In my adventurous days I tailed tractor trailers with my Chevette, so I know what this is and how complicated the fluid dynamics can be.

I started to think about those who note no difference in fuel consumption when towing their trailer...

Is it possible, when driving on relatively level surfaces and all other factors are agreeable, that the amount of drag is offset by the wake?
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Postby Prem » Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:28 am

Behind a 6-cylinder, full-size, Ford van, I got one more mile per gallon towing this at highway speeds than not towing it. I built it to be the same width and height as the van.

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Postby Prem » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:13 pm

Andrew wrote:
Undiluted marketing bull***t, mostly.


Well said! I would only delete the word "mostly."

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Postby Conestoga » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:36 pm

Prem wrote:Behind a 6-cylinder, full-size, Ford van, I got one more mile per gallon towing this at highway speeds than not towing it. I built it to be the same width and height as the van.
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Postby Prem » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:39 pm

Conestoga,

From a previous post on the CARGO TRAILER CONVERSION forum:

237 miles using 21 gallons = 11.25MPG

I was getting 9.5MPG towing the trailer before the AirTabs.

AirTabs only work effectively over 45MPH. There were many times when I was under 40MPH towing on the trip. I was never on an Interstate for that test run, so one could expect even more fuel efficiency gain for a long trip on the open road. The vehicle gets 12-13 not towing on the open road.


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Postby Conestoga » Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:24 pm

What's the difference in height and width of the rear of the TV and the trailer with airtabs on it?

Prem wrote:Conestoga,

From a previous post on the CARGO TRAILER CONVERSION forum:

237 miles using 21 gallons = 11.25MPG

I was getting 9.5MPG towing the trailer before the AirTabs.

AirTabs only work effectively over 45MPH. There were many times when I was under 40MPH towing on the trip. I was never on an Interstate for that test run, so one could expect even more fuel efficiency gain for a long trip on the open road. The vehicle gets 12-13 not towing on the open road.
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Postby Conestoga » Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:27 pm

Did anybody else see the Mythbusters episode where they "clayed & dimpled" a car?

Write up here:
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/22/myth ... pling-mpg/

I wonder if "golfball dimples" and airtabs are creating a similar effect?
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Postby Prem » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:43 pm

Conestoga wrote:
What's the difference in height and width of the rear of the TV and the trailer with airtabs on it?


Answer here in one of the posts:

http://www.tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?t=25377&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

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