Campster12 build

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Re: Campster12 build

Postby chriskoebb » Sun Nov 16, 2014 6:33 am

AZ_Desert_Rat wrote:Are you going to get a bottle of gas to go with it or use it as a Flux-Core_some machine allow it?
If you go with gas, be sure to get the right mixture ... it can make big difference. Good luck with it and keep us in the loop ...
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Going to Just go for the Flux Core wire for now , then once I get the hang of that I think I will introduce the argon gas. I'm stoked today :twisted: goind to buy the
welder this afternoon. Thank's for the Tip! I was not sure if I should start off with the gas or not at first. I know how to ARC weld but I have never MIG welded.
Ive been watching lots of youtube videos about MIG and it dosent look that hard.
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Re: Campster12 build

Postby AZ_Desert_Rat » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:06 pm

FCAW/flux-core arc welding burns a bit hotter than MIG/Metal Inert Gas welding and is better for welding thicker material, especially when outside and/or dirty material ... with that said, I like to clean the surfaces to be welded to reduce spatter and porosity and if the steel is left out in the cooler mornings with moisture present (Dew, rain, etc.), I like to warm the surfaces to burn-off the moisture (if possible) to again reduce porosity and spatter. FCAW also leaves slag, like stick welding, that needs to be removed before paint, etc. I use flux-core often to reduce costs, but clean and warm the surfaces when possible to reduce porosity and spatter.

On the other hand, the inert gas used in MIG welding offers a bit better shielding cover when used inside, out of the wind and leaves a cleaner weld without slag to clean off.

As far as Inert gas selection:
--Argon, Helium, Carbon Dioxide and Oxygen are the four most common shielding gases used in MIG welding ... A good basic gas/mix depends on the metal to be welded, the penetration, and clean-up ... For example:
--CO2 is good for penetrating welds on steel, but may be too hot for thin metal ... For thinner steels, use 75% Argon/25% CO2.
--Use only Argon for aluminum. You can use a triple-mix for stainless steels (Helium + Argon + CO2).

The welder should come with a user's manual that will give similar uses and offers the manufacturer's suggestions ... One can play with the different mixtures to change the penetration and puddle shape/size, and clean-up; however, it is probably best to follow the welder instruction manual at first and of course, there is a ton of info online.
I apologize for the loooong winded answer, but hope this helps you get started ... good luck.
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Re: Campster12 build

Postby tony.latham » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:51 pm

As far as Inert gas selection:
--Argon, Helium, Carbon Dioxide and Oxygen are the four most common shielding gases used in MIG welding ...


AZ: I think you added a mistype in there about oxygen being used as an inert gas. Isn't that the stuff we are trying to keep out of the puddle during the weld using CO2?

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Re: Campster12 build

Postby Vedette » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:48 pm

Go for the Gas!
Forget flux core!!!
I weld everyday.
Buy the best welder you can afford!
Couger mix.....75% 25% with .030 wire...will do everything you will ever want it to do.
Go Lincoln 180 C if you can.
You won't have to think about welders again for the next 15 to 20 years!!!
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Re: Campster12 build

Postby AZ_Desert_Rat » Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:36 am

I apologize for the mistype and Brian went right to the point and is correct...
Thanks Brian
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Re: Campster12 build

Postby chriskoebb » Thu Nov 27, 2014 8:57 am

Thanks for the Tips! Ive bought the 170amp from harbor freight and have been practicing with the flux core and I as soon as I can afford I am going to throw the gass in the mix. Soon as I can weld something worth posting I will send a pic ....lol
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Re: Campster12 build

Postby AZ_Desert_Rat » Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:47 am

Hi Chris,
Make sure you get a lens dark enough so that you don't hurt your eyes and to help you distinguish the puddle from the entire weld -- If too light, it is difficult to distinguish the puddle from the weld and you will hurt your eyes ... on the other hand, too dark and about all you can see is the puddle. Get at least a number 10 and I like an 11 when inside (and even use a 12 on occasion). I got one of the automatic hoods for a gift a while back, but that particular hood did not go dark enough to protect my eyes and I have since changed it out.
Good luck ...
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