"The Test Mule" --11/22/11 Fab bench

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Postby GuyllFyre » Mon May 16, 2011 6:07 am

It's not the tree removal that's difficult or expensive, it's the stump removal.
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Postby RockyMountainTeardrops » Mon May 16, 2011 7:20 am

GuyllFyre wrote:It's not the tree removal that's difficult or expensive, it's the stump removal.


Since we've got an fairly good sized excavator coming in for the foundation.....they are only charging me for disposal of the stumps, not removal.
I think the problem is my property slopes so much, all of the tree removal needs to be done by hand........

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Postby aggie79 » Mon May 16, 2011 9:46 am

:applause: :thumbsup: :applause: Awesome!

Your plug mold work is outstanding as is all of your fiberglass work. I can see why you need a shop. Are you thinking about some "production runs" in the future?

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Postby RockyMountainTeardrops » Mon May 16, 2011 11:46 am

aggie79 wrote::applause: :thumbsup: :applause: Awesome!

Your plug mold work is outstanding as is all of your fiberglass work. I can see why you need a shop. Are you thinking about some "production runs" in the future?

Take care,
Tom


That's the hope.....I want to make a business out of this.
Super-lightweight with a queen sized bed.
I think I can carve a little chunk out of the market to make a couple of bucks.

Thanks for your kind words,
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Postby RockyMountainTeardrops » Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:13 pm

Hello everybody,
Been a BUSY summer for me.
Shop is finished!!
Right in time to do a little work on the Justintime and then go camping for 2 weeks!

Land cleared, ready for the excavator.
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All dug out.
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Foundation.
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Floor.
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Framing.
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Siding, roofing, electrical, windows, and door.
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Insulation and drywall.
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Paint.
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Front of the shop, looking back.
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Back of the shop, looking forward. Small office on the right side.
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Need to finish putting up a fence for the dogs, but going to order some resin when we get back from vacation and start building campers!!

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Postby campmaster-k » Fri Aug 26, 2011 6:55 pm

Very cool cant wait to see campers.
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Postby vanwyk4257 » Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:21 pm

Beautiful shop and great work on the trailer so far! :thumbsup:
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Postby GuyllFyre » Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:03 am

That shop is gorgeous!
I want one!
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Postby Ratkity » Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:59 am

GuyllFyre wrote:That shop is gorgeous!
I want one!


DITTO!!!!

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Postby RockyMountainTeardrops » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:43 am

Well....it should be gorgeous....as much as it cost! $>
(won't go into details, but it cost more than a year's salary..pre-tax)

The sad part is how fast it's filling up.
Doesn't take many tables, carts and molds to fill up 675 sf.
I'm following my plan of "everything on wheels". No counter-tops in this shop.
Rolling tool cart from HFT (on sale $99) will keep hand tools close by and organized.
Need to figure out how to get the molds under the big (5'x10') fab table. That will free up a good amount of space. Maybe something as simple as furniture dollies.

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Postby GuyllFyre » Sun Aug 28, 2011 12:10 pm

I understand about the cost. I've done more than enough construction type work in my life so far, mostly due to the fact that I can't afford to pay someone to do something because after buying materials, I can't afford to pay for labor.
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Postby RockyMountainTeardrops » Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:54 pm

Hello everybody.
Been a busy couple of months for me.
Getting a fence put up in the "rocky" Rocky Mountains wasn't a lot of fun, but it's done.
Spent a week chopping wood and installing the stove in the new shop building. (Built a new base with outside/cold air intake for it. Not as much of a worry about fire or explosion with the dust now)
Spent some time making door skins and trying to figure out how to get them bonded together. Didn't like the finished product, so now I might go a different way on the doors.
The new method will not use the mold I spent so long making, but I guess that goes along with the learning experience.

Speaking of learning....I cringe looking back on the first few posts in this thread. My ignorance was kind of astounding. :oops:
Now I can confidently speak about "0,+/-45 triax" and how strong it will be in my application. (answer: VERY)

Another thing I learned recently was how hard it is going to be to get materials in Colorado.
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I haven't found a supplier that carries the core foam and fiberglass that I want anywhere between the Mississippi and the Rockies.
Finally ended up ordering out of Illinois, Florida, and Washington to get what I wanted at a decent price.
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New work bench top. (3/4" melamine)
This caused problems that I will talk about later.
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Cutting the fabric for the floor.
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Floor panel under vacuum, ready to infuse the resin.
(Green color is flow medium, the while lines are the resin feed lines, covered in peel-ply)
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Resin going in, 2-1/4 gallons so far, needed another 32oz to finish.
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Getting close, another inch on the edges.
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Last corner to get resin, I was starting to sweat, worrying that I was going to have a dry spot. (at tiny as it is)
No worries though, resin got there before it kicked off.
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All covered with electric blankets, ready for bed.
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Next morning, bag, flow medium, and peel-ply all stripped.
Funny the patterns that are left in the surface. Areas where just a little bit of extra resin is left.
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Bottom of the panel (dark lines are tiny grooves cut into the core to help the resin to flow throughout the panel)
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Finished floor panel! Cool!
Now to start on the walls!

The floor is calculated to weigh approx 60 lbs (64"X96")
That compares favorably with plywood. (3/4" marine should be about 100 lbs).

This panel was another learning experience for me. The panel came out perfect...it was the table that was the problem!
Went out this morning to unbag the part, and I noticed that the entire table was rocking. I have adjustable feet on it, and I had spent a few hours leveling and making sure everything was flat and true before starting the floor panel.
I thought everything was fine, but to find the table rocking almost a 1/4" was unexpected. (rocking on the center set of the six legs)
I can only guess that it was caused by the resin kicking off on the top first, and shrinking a tiny bit before the bottom kicked.
The floor panel ended up with a little arch in it.
Thankfully that is not a big deal (I'll just put the curve upwards, it will help with the loading/deflection).

So to make sure this doesn't happen again, I'm going to have to build a better table.
Months ago I did some research on work-benches, and it led me to a "box-beam" type design on this website. Box beam table

So next up is a trip to the lumber yard to figure out how much $$$ it's going to cost to get some TJI's to build another table.
Two steps forward, one step back.:BE

More later,
Lee
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Postby Forge1097 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:15 pm

You are doing some very good work. You don't need a better table. If you brace the legs by forming X's between the legs you will have it perfect. Cross bracing will more than double your rigidity of the table.
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Postby aggie79 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:56 pm

Lee,

I really like seeing the composite work you are doing. What did you use for the core of the flloor?

As far as your layout table, two thoughts come to mind. First, is the melamine on both sides of the sheet goods? If not a single ply can cause an imbalance. Second, you really don't need truss joists to build a flat table. If you build a stress skin or torsion box and then install the melamine on top of it, you'll have nice flat surface.

Before starting my teardrop, I built a torsion box style assembly table. My table has a 5' x 10' work surface. The torsion box is 4' x 8' and is made out of cheap 3/4" ply, 6'' deep. The box is skinned top and bottom with 1/4" ply. This is a picture of it before adding the top. (There is a piece of 3/4" MDF sitting on it that was not installed.)

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The top is 5' x 10', 3/4" ply. I added a 2" wide strip of 3/4" ply on the bottom of the top around the edges.

Even with an 8' span between the legs, there is no deflection unless there is a really heavy - 300# + - load on the center.

Take care,
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Postby StandUpGuy » Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:25 pm

2.5 gallons of resin just for the floor panel? I understand it is light weight and strong but exactly how expensive is it to do this floor panel? That is like a $100 of resin in the floor alone. Not to mention the infills and the cloth. Yikes! It is really turning out very nice, your floor panel by the way. I am just freaking out about the cost.
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