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Re: go ahead, call me crazy !

Postby OP827 » Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:57 pm

I admire your desire and strength for attempting this project, it is definetely a challenging work, but it looks you can make it happen! :applause: :thumbsup: As for your question how to make the front curves, I would try to treat the front wall the same way you did the roof in the back, i.e. try to create points of steel attachment using the wood frame and plywood, I know it is chicken and egg thing between what goes/set first (horizontal or vertical strips), but the point is to determine where the members will be and where they will meet and welded to created the form, it will require some try and fit excersize on one side and once one side is looking the way you like it, then it can be mirrored on the other side. I was just thinking aloud here, not sure if it helped you..? :thinking:

BTW, your work reminded me something interesting, a so-called Hyperboloid structure. The crossing members/strips may create quite a strong structure, one of the known examples of such structure is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shukhov_Tower, which has unmatched lowest ratio of steel used to bearing capacity for any tower structure. Similar principals are commmonly used in cosmos space exploration structures such as space rocket stages connections/supports, for example.

I am following this build with interest, thanks for sharing it with the board. How are you going to skin this skeleton? I do not think that using aluminum with steel together is a good idea due to a faster (galvanic) corrosion that it would cause :thinking:

Good luck in your build! :thumbsup:
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Re: go ahead, call me crazy !

Postby dave campbell » Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:53 pm

hey OP827 thanks for the input and what a cool tower !! it's next on my list ( i don't have to skin it---and the missus will love to have something for the beans to grow on next year)

your ideas about how to tackle the curve are good, and that's how i intend to do it. the steel frame will be wrapped in 1/4" ply---attached to the frame with steel bolts. then a waterproof layer of (??) then the aluminum on top of that. if all goes well there will be little to no contact between the two metals, and if there is i will make sure it's fixable when corrosion happens.

got started today but was only able to put in a couple of hours after work, and before the neighbour-lady got home tired and ready for a nap. had to shut it down. oh well time to ruminate on today's paltry progress.....

this seems to be the angle i will be working with up here

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so far so good---that's the front/centre there

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going well as i round the corner---just a bit of fudging to get the curve nice and i think it's ZAP ZAP

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Re: go ahead, call me crazy !

Postby OP827 » Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:40 pm

Looking good, Dave :thumbsup:

dave campbell wrote:hey OP827 thanks for the input and what a cool tower !! it's next on my list ( i don't have to skin it---and the missus will love to have something for the beans to grow on next year)

- :lol: :lol: :lol: - make sure you build some scale model, not 350m high, promise?
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Re: go ahead, call me crazy !

Postby dave campbell » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:45 pm

well my neighbour went out yesterday afternoon and the sun was low in the sky so i went gung-ho on the first front corner--- hopefully not a rush job.

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as did the rear end, the front is just sort of 'happening'--- at first i was all hung up on getting the curvature of the base to translate up the wall, but i have let go of that dream and now am letting the metal speak for itself. once the verticals are in place, the horizontals just snick right in----and with some minor adjusting to make sure the strappings are all touching at the intersections without being too pushy, clamp away !!

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i lay on my back and looked up at how the curves lined up----all seems well

one of the horizontal bars up front will be removed to make room for a window, sometime soon....
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Re: go ahead, call me crazy !

Postby KCStudly » Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:09 pm

Train kept a rollin'. :thumbsup: :applause: :thumbsup: :applause:
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Re: go ahead, call me crazy !

Postby OP827 » Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:27 pm

NICE ! :thumbsup: :applause:
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Re: go ahead, call me crazy !

Postby dave campbell » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:22 pm

hey all--
it's been a few days but yes...i have been at it. the setup wasn't really working for photographs. hard to take a picture of a cage with a shadow of itself on the house behind it.
after wrapping up the front end, we re-jigged a couple of centre posts on either side of the door----and used those to tweek and hold the door sides in place with either wire (pulling) or sticks (pushing) and making sure this baby is as symmetrical as can be. (sorry no photos of that).

4 inch spacers and another 1 x 1/8 strap on either side of the door for added stability, and a nice wee 'wall' to start the bed at---and cabinets in the front if we go that way.....
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we are quite happy with the overall shape----nevermind my ugly welds---

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and now i shall enjoy a nice cold :beer:
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Re: go ahead, call me crazy !

Postby dave campbell » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:27 pm

here's a front end comparison of thunderdome

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Re: go ahead, call me crazy !

Postby dave campbell » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:28 pm

and a side comparison----

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Re: go ahead, call me crazy !

Postby dave campbell » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:41 pm

oh ya----tear drop ADVISOR now...... my advice ? just go for it----these things practically build themselves. release the poor trapped trailer spirit from the jail cell called plywood and steel ! :beer:
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Re: go ahead, call me crazy !

Postby dave campbell » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:56 pm

just spied 'spotman's paradise t and michael w's cub modernist-----looking good. hope i can pull off the great finishes that you all are achieving. the beauty inside is nice but i reaally dig the covers i've been seeing in this forum :beer:
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Re: go ahead, call me crazy !

Postby KCStudly » Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:50 am

Wow, awesome progress! Thunderdome is looking really good. :thumbsup: :applause: :applause:
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Re: go ahead, call me crazy !

Postby Gunguy05 » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:04 am

Looking awesome! Any idea how much T might weigh at this point?
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Re: go ahead, call me crazy !

Postby dales133 » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:22 pm


Looking good.
Been an avid watcher of your progress.
It realy is a thing of beauty that van,im sure youll pull it off
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Re: go ahead, call me crazy !

Postby OP827 » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:59 pm

Wow, it is awesome! :thumbsup: :applause:
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