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Moped Trailers

Postby RebelMoby » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:32 pm

ooops - started this thread in the wrong section with my introduction so I will restart it here...

YES - the title mentions that the build will be for towing behind a moped, Not a scooter with foot boards but an old moped from France.

So I bought an old Bell child transporter trailer which I intend on building into a teardrop...
...really looks sad
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...after stripping the fabric and structure of the child carrier portion the frame looks a bit more presentable...
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...now off to lurking around the forum and take some cues from the experts!
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Re: Moped Trailers

Postby aggie79 » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:26 am

Okay, I'm interested! What construction materials/methods do you plan on using?
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Re: Moped Trailers

Postby RebelMoby » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:27 pm

This will also happen to be a project in recycling. I seem to have settled on building with some plywood, but I have limited resources way out here so I have scavenged some plywood from some crates. The floors of the crates were plywood 4' x 4' and the frame of the old bell trailer is 30 x 34 so the length overall will be 4'. I have the height at the moment figured out to be 36 inches by my initial drawing. I have it planned at the moment to have the wheels enclosed. I will be skinning the curved portion with luan which I had culling from some old crates when I was making the sidecar for my moped.
I picked up a wooden spool which happens to be 24 inch so I will be cutting the ends in half to make the arches for the wheel wells.
When I go into town for provisions I will hopefully find a gallon of 'not quite right colour' paint, the hardware store sells the mixes that did not turn out to customers satisfaction for only $12 a gallon. Just hope I dont end up with lime green and purple or the tear drop will end up looking like a Barney mobile.

Looking at the build thread for yours it is giving me ideas for the next build, which will be more of a camping trailer then a cargo trailer. Have to be more selective with my building techniques on the other trailer, weight will become an issue.
But that is getting ahead of myself, I am first going to get this cargo one going to try to develop some carpentry skills.
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Re: Moped Trailers

Postby RebelMoby » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:41 pm

Here is the spool ends cut in half which will become the inner and outer sides of the wheel wells.
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I have the floor cut and the inner wheel wells positioned but not permanently fastened.
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Hopefully I will have a chance tomorrow to plan out the sides of the trailer. I have two huge pieces of cardboard so I can experiment with a template before I actually commit my design to the plywood sides.
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Re: Moped Trailers

Postby crumbruiser » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:19 am

I had a moped in 1979. It was TOMOS. I think the top speed was about 35mph. Looking at you build, I can't help but wonder, is your moped going to have the power to pull your trailer when it's loaded? If it can handle a side car then I imagine it can handle a small trailer, I just don't know about the load. What kind of moped do you have? Have any pics? :pictures: We love pics.
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Re: Moped Trailers

Postby RebelMoby » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:31 pm

Thanks for showing interest. TOMOS are great mopeds, recent models are quite fancy and more "motorbike-esque" then the spartan earlier models, electric start and oil injection system.
Yes - top speed is limited by law for a moped in Ontario Canada at 50km/h or about 30mph, also there is only 2hp at the motor to play with so I have to sort of play about with designs to get the lightest build from the available materials. The sidecar I built is for a 1970 Motobecane Mobylette, the trailer will be towed by a 1964 Peugeot BB1-CT.


Here is a walk around of the Mobylette sidecar, it is for cargo and not for people...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKsILYLz5rs

...also a video with the camera mounted on the deck, if you have 4 minutes of time to spend watching rural scenery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZTAWcqqDoE

Dont know how to embed the YouTube video - does not work like other forums so it is just the links.
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Re: Moped Trailers

Postby StandUpGuy » Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:07 pm

Great idea!!!
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Re: Moped Trailers

Postby RebelMoby » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:38 pm

Thank you for the encouragement. I am not much of a carpenter but this is fun so please bear with me.
After progressing in the platform and wheel wells I decided to get my huge cardboard and make a mock up of the side panels. Cardboard worked great because I had the option of making the trailer body longer, shorter lower, higher, back to longer then lower...
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I consulted some builds on here to see some ideas and try to adapt them to the look I wanted. I finally settled on a size based on the height of the grocery bags which will be the main function of this trailer and transferred the cardboard template to my plywood.
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Todays work on the trailer was excellent, one of those days where a project actually looks like a lot of progress, rather then toiling and the changes are not so obvious.
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Attached it to the old Peugeot for a photo op! There is the basic structure bolted to the chassis and about as much as I can reasonably progress without having to get more supplies.

Tomorrow I will need to finish gathering up some supplies from the dumpster at work. I need two 20 litre buckets which I will use to line the fender wells so the are very waterproof, as well as gather up some luan and another old spool in order to make the curved panel, rear compartment doors and lid for the main part of the trailer.
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Re: Moped Trailers

Postby angib » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:32 am

Maybe it's a bit late in the day to be making suggestions, but how about making your life easier by just having the whole body, except the floor, lift up at one end? This avoids having to make tricky parts seal and is probably stronger. Plus it gives the opportunity to make the top removable to leave a flat-bed trailer for awkward loads. The downside is that you have to keep the load inside while shutting the lid.
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Re: Moped Trailers

Postby RebelMoby » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:52 pm

I am always open to new ideas and suggestions - specially as this is partially uncharted territory for me up until now.
I did have the forethought of having only 4 bolts to secure the body to the frame rails, something I learned when I was fabricating the sidecar, very often handy to be able to take the body off to do things to it then return it to the wheeled frame.

Now you have me thinking perhaps I should fabricate a second platform to make it a flat bed when I have awkward shaped loads to move. Brilliant!

Today's portion of the project was the curved bit on the front. I have another spool from the dumpster which I quartered and then removed the pointy bit, added some sticks across and add it to the trailer...
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Another goody from the previously enjoyed shipping material was an excellent piece of luan which only needed a little trimming to fit. Got sort of messy trying to knock in tiny nails with the luan sort of sliding on the glue which was more like a lubricant then something sticky that will eventually hold everything in check. I added some huge bungee cord to hold it all down until I could get in enough nails to hold it to the curve. Think I am just going to leave it bungee'd together until tomorrow and the glue has set...
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Re: Moped Trailers

Postby glenpinpat » Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:55 am

just curious... where are you going to put lights on the trailer as required under HTA in Ontario. You will also be required to plate it. You can register it as a home built but i do not know if it requires brake and signal lights but I am guessing it will as it is towed by a licensed motorized vehicle. :NC
Just checked the HTA you will be required to have an amber light on the back and a white light for the license plate. You do not require brake lights or signal lights.
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Re: Moped Trailers

Postby RebelMoby » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:49 pm

Absolutely for sure I am going to have lights on the trailer, even if that was not mandated by the HTA. Seems there are a lot of drivers that seem to have trouble seeing larger objects and difficulty navigating their vehicle under even the best conditions so I do not want to be a sitting duck.
I had conflicting replies from the MTO in regards to plates, one being that the law would apply same as if it was a bicycle (no plate required for a bicycle trailer) and also was told that I would need a plate as the moped is a motorized vehicle.

As I will have to probably cross that bridge, would you know the process that should be followed to register the trailer as a trailer?
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Re: Moped Trailers

Postby glenpinpat » Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:47 pm

go to mto office tell them it is a home built, give them dimensions just size of body, one axle no brakes and colour. Then hand them 35 bucks and you are good to go. Your vehicle is a motorized vehicle under HTA and as it can go over 40km/hr it is not a slow moving vehicle. A bicycle is not considered in Ontario a motorized vehicle and therefore does not require plates. Your build id looking great. :thumbsup:
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Re: Moped Trailers

Postby RebelMoby » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:11 pm

Thanks for the encouragement on the build!

I went into the city to go to the MTO yesterday, also to run some errands I might had well stop putting off. But the young lady which served me at the MTO gave me a vary blank look when I said I need to register my home build trailer and gave her the dimensions. She mentioned that it was tiny and asked if it is for behind a motorcycle, so I explained it was for behind my moped and she said I did not need a plate for it them it is the same as a bicycle. I asked if she could check with Kingston to make sure and when she came back her answer was the same - that I did not need a plate.
So I will just make sure it is proper and to code with goodly lighting, so if I do get "safety laned" for it by a OPP officer perhaps I will get a warning ticket only rather then a fine. I would not be shy to show up at the MTO with a warning ticket in order to get a plate to comply with the highway code, but I would not be so happy if I had to pay a fine as well.

So the trip to the city was fruitful anyway for the trailer project, I went to the Dollarama and purchased two sets of bicycle lights, each set is a red 3 led light and a white 3 led light. Bought two sets as I would want to put a tail light on either side of the trailer, one of the white lights I will keep handy for a license plate light if I do indeed have to mount one, the other white light I will mount in the principal cargo area. I also was able to purchase some paint, $12 for 4 litre of some semi flat exterior green paint, perhaps hot the best colour but the price was right and it is good quality paint.

Todays project, however, was to fabricate and install the inner fenders. I am fabricating them from two 20 litre buckets culled from the scrap pile.
I had to remove the upper portion of the bucket where the re-enforcing ribs are and the wire handle mounts. The handsaw actually cuts the plastic quite nicely. After which I cut a strip slightly wider then I needed for the fender, the plastic is light enough that I can wittle away the excess plastic so I figured it is easier to make it narrower then to make it wider.
After fitting and wittling and fitting and adjusting a number of times I had the fender fitting properly so I used the staple gun to attach the fender to the sidewalls.
I then went inside the fenders and used some caulking on the seams between the plastic and the sidewalls to ensure a leak proof fit as well as allowing the adhesive qualities of the caulking to assist in keeping the fenders together.
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Tomorrow, hopefully I will paint!
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Re: Moped Trailers

Postby StandUpGuy » Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:06 pm

I am enjoyning your build. Especially the use of found or inexpensive alternative materials. I did a lot of that in my build.
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