Bread-loaf build thread

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Re: Bread-loaf build thread

Postby Fred Trout » Wed Jun 24, 2015 11:52 am

GPW, planning on using square edges and 2x2 flashing or papered corner bead pretty much on all exposed edges under the canvas. I don't trust myself to make evenly curved corners so will rely on manufactured ones ;)

Just got done trimming the foam that bearded out of last foam piece & apparently it's dry enough to sand right now (80+ degrees yesterday maybe helped), so off I go after this coffee break !
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Re: Bread-loaf build thread

Postby Fred Trout » Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:54 pm

Finished the rough sanding & caulking. Ready for flashing, corner bead & spackling.

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Re: Bread-loaf build thread

Postby Fred Trout » Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:28 pm

Installed flashing & corner bead - might need some more but most is done. Used Gripper & GS for 2x2, Gripper or TB II with paper backed corner bead. My usual crooked job :cry:

Should work for all that.

EDIT: 2x2 flashing will be used as mounting points for things like awning rail or solar panel / roof rack but the car has a roof rack and probably a better idea to mount stuff to it instead.

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Re: Bread-loaf build thread

Postby Fred Trout » Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:44 pm

Cleaned up the foam inside, ran the wiring in the wall, caulked and made the remainder of the interior (mostly the nose section) ready for canvas application which is scheduled for tomorrow along with as much outside fairing I can get done before it gets too hot to work. Expecting near record highs for next 2 days. Did a bit of wood work doing the galley door support frame & shelves for inside front nose.

Nothing worth pictures today but should have some of inside canvas work tomorrow.
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Re: Bread-loaf build thread

Postby Fred Trout » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:44 pm

Finished applying the canvas to inside front except for trimming the edge excess with a razor - just got way to hot to work anymore but I should have it done tonite or tomorrow if it does not cool off by dark. Note the use of staples to hold the canvas in place - much easier to do what you can on the flat. I added a small bit of overlap on the floor edge but will be adding 2 - 3 triangular shelves that should stabilize the front shape even more.

Will apply watered down TB II to rest of interior canvas tomorrow and do some faring on exterior if I can before it gets too hot. Today was in the mid 80s by 10 AM :x Not used to the heat at all after decades in the refrigerator box called Montana. 8)

EDIT: note the wire loom - bottom right - covering the wiring going into the wall for the front USB & Auto-lighter outlet & Outside Front LED fixture - a 1/2 depth single gang box will be applied to the wall surface under the bottom shelf where the 2 wire ends penetrate the canvas.

EDIT2: finished trimming the canvas and rolled a coat of diluted TB II over the canvas for dent resistance. Interior is ready for shelves, final paint, & electrical.

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Re: Bread-loaf build thread

Postby GPW » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:20 am

That flashing and corner bead looks Nice huh !!! Moving right along !!! 8)

Not to worry , your weather will likely cool off soon .... we won’t get cool till October... :o
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Re: Bread-loaf build thread

Postby Fred Trout » Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:42 am

The paper covered corner bead is nice to work with but I don't know how it will look when covered. The 2" flashing has lots of small deformations that did not glue down well that will make the faring more difficult. I think I should have been more selective when picking out the pieces since one side is much better than the other - the stuff deforms easily when handled.

Have no idea how either will look and perform when covered but we will find out one way or the other. As said before, not making a work of art, just a tent on wheels so either will do fine as long as they keep the weather out. This is the last day of really hot temps 95~100 but summer is here to stay apparently for the next 10 days anyway. Too hot to work today at any rate but I did get the interior ready for primer last night. Will be adding wood to the door rough openings then lifting the TD & adding a reinforcing canvas strip along the bottom after 1st side fairing for my next big steps.
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Re: Bread-loaf build thread

Postby GPW » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:28 am

QUOTE : " just a tent on wheels “ ... That’s the Spirit !!! :thumbsup: 8) :applause:

One of the not so obvious features of a Foamie' is you can add and subtract things you want to as time goes by ... Unlike wood or fiberglass, it’s easy to cut away the old stuff and add new , then Re-cover again ... All so Simple if you let it be !!! ;)
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Re: Bread-loaf build thread

Postby Mary C » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:56 pm

Moving right along and looking good. Just keep on and stay cool, use a cool down rag on your neck it helps.

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Re: Bread-loaf build thread

Postby Fred Trout » Mon Jun 29, 2015 8:00 pm

Thanks Mary. Thunderstorm just passed through. Went from 100 down to 77 in a half hour & blew over a few trees. Found out I had bubbles form on front canvas where I did not let the TB II dry before I put a coat on top. DOH ! Will try using an iron w/ steam to get it to sit back down. It's always something :D

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Re: Bread-loaf build thread

Postby GPW » Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:02 am

Hint .... if you use the wife’s iron ( :o ) be sure to use a damp cloth to iron over... glue on the iron base won’t be very popular ... :frightened:
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Re: Bread-loaf build thread

Postby Fred Trout » Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:42 am

After searching here for details on how to fix canvas bubbles and finding only non-specific recommendations, perhaps some details on how my attempts worked out.

- set Iron on lowest heat "synthetics" setting
- sprayed water lightly on bubbled area
- completely saturated towel rag & wrung it out
- stapled towel rag so it hung over area
- ran Iron over the area with high pressure on wall perhaps 6 - 12 times
- checked to see if bubbles were gone & they were
- removed towel
- ran squeegee (dry wall applicator) across area applying pressure

Now we see if the bubbles reappear while drying out or after painting.

FINAL EDIT: bubbles reformed as the canvas dried
- spritz w/ water, small slit in canvas, squirt in dilute TB II with syringe, massage around & squeegee did not completely work
- big slit after spritz, apply glue over entire area by prying slit open & squirting glue in all over, then closing back up & massaging etc as above - sometimes it worked, sometimes it did not. I think the problem is possibly the surface is not prepped properly (sanded / perforated) and there is too much material in those particular spots so it bubbles.

The take-away is to do the job right the first time ! This is all play-time anyway since these vertical front panels are going to be covered by the shelf assembly kind of like the covers over the front of the FoamStream build. :R
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Re: Bread-loaf build thread

Postby GPW » Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:48 am

The Heat should have re-liquified the Glue and joined canvas to foam forever.... hopefully ... That’s then way it’s Supposed to work anyway !!!
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Re: Bread-loaf build thread

Postby Fred Trout » Tue Jun 30, 2015 1:59 pm

Yeah, that's the ideal outcome, GPW. Nothing worked perfectly well for me but I only fiddled with it for a couple of hours off and on. It will all be covered by the front shelf assembly anyway so it was kind of just fooling around. However, the slap-dash job certainly could have been a big problem if that was NOT the case, and the inattention to details can bite ya in the rear. Lesson noted.

EDIT: The best repair job was make a long slit, put a piece of sandpaper in there and rough the surface, squirt glue in and flux brush it all around, push it back flat & massage it all around, squeegee it flat, slitting a overlap as needed. In retrospect, it would likely be easier in some cases to just rip it all off and do it all over starting with the sanding & perforation.
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Re: Bread-loaf build thread

Postby Fred Trout » Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:48 pm

Finished painting Gripper primer on interior surfaces including floor. Finished rough cut of galley door frame & corner bead (more crooked to buff out). Finished covering cutouts for 'porch' wiring.

This afternoon & tomorrow, cut & fit door wood framing, glue in that and galley frame, 2x2 flashing on galley roof, exterior fairing. That ought to keep me busy :D
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