Sleeping on the roof

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Re: Sleeping on the roof

Postby mvankanan » Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:17 am

GPW wrote:Mike from NH , this might give you some ideas ... http://tnttt.com/VintagePlans/foldingbedroom.pdf :thinking: Maybe downsized a bit ... But what you really need is a dedicated Expedition vehicle ... Easy to do that on an old Van ... We had an old 60’s Econoline , that we jacked up and customized for going camping at the beach ... Dropped in a “massaged” Ford 300 straight six , headers, special tires ... We went and camped everywhere in that one ... :thumbsup:


I was down my BIL's over the holiday he said " lets talk about your next build"! next build? "yeah when you buy a van and do it right" :twisted:
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Re: Sleeping on the roof

Postby mvankanan » Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:31 am

dales133 wrote:There are a couple of versions of the roof top tent that have verry little set up at all.
Theres one that i think is made in europe and looks a bit like one of those thule roof boots
It hinges up and has canvas sides to make it more spacious while remaining more streamlined in transit.
I can recall the name but some google imaging should help you out


No pop up tents :cry: My daughter is running around Africa.......again, they are in one of those. Not what I want.

I don't want to sleep in the back of the Cherokee on a platform bed either. I've spent a bit of time on the road, in the back of mostly jeep pickups, about 7 months is the longest, I know what I want to try and I have my reasons. I also know why I want to do it. I don't even mind defending it, though that isn't at all important to me. I would rather do it over a beer, I'm typing challenged. :beer:

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Re: Sleeping on the roof

Postby dales133 » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:16 pm


All good mike i know what you mean.
If i want something specific i get my mind set on it too
Looking forward to what you come up with
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Re: Sleeping on the roof

Postby GPW » Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:35 am

QUOTE: “ I was down my BIL's over the holiday he said " lets talk about your next build"! next build? "yeah when you buy a van and do it right" :o
Mike , I’ve tried (unsuccessfully) to think of something suitable that wasn’t coffin like or added a lot of side area and raised the center of balance on the vehicle ... :thinking: Trailers , like we do here solve that problem easily , Vans incorporate everything into one unit ... I camped in converted Vans for years in all sorta places from sea level to the high lonesome ... very comfortable ... I think your BIL is just trying to help you achieve your long term goal more quickly ...
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Re: Sleeping on the roof

Postby Socal Tom » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:45 am

Have you considered using a roof rack to support the overhead bunk? My concern is that if you intend to use the sheet metal as the floor of the bunk it might be kind of week. Also, resale value will be nothing with a hole in the roof. I can see copying something like the maggiolina style. They travel closed, and the top pops up. However, even if you stick with the always up bunk, the roof rack moves the weight to a stronger area, and if you made the opening so a sun roof could fill it, the extra few inches could make getting in and out a little easier. And it would be removable if you needed to.
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Re: Sleeping on the roof

Postby GPW » Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:14 am

A Quick of Google ... car top campers /images ... will give you lots more ideas ... :thumbsup:
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Re: Sleeping on the roof

Postby mvankanan » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:56 pm

Socal Tom wrote:Have you considered using a roof rack to support the overhead bunk? My concern is that if you intend to use the sheet metal as the floor of the bunk it might be kind of week. Also, resale value will be nothing with a hole in the roof. I can see copying something like the maggiolina style. They travel closed, and the top pops up. However, even if you stick with the always up bunk, the roof rack moves the weight to a stronger area, and if you made the opening so a sun roof could fill it, the extra few inches could make getting in and out a little easier. And it would be removable if you needed to.
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I don't see a roof rack giving me any advantage. Resale value not a factor I bought the vehicle to do this. I would like to work with sun roof dimensions, but after looking at seanc's skylight, that seems like less of a problem. If I will keep the vehicle, than anything I use up top in the event I remove the camper only has to keep out the water. If I do end up with a type of well attached to the vehicle, and that the build sits in then that should make that easier to do. I got some rubber roofing ;)

As far a the roof supporting me and maybe the wife, almost any type of floor should spread out the weight enough. I'm rethinking the floor anyway, headroom is a big consideration 2" of foam on the floor seems like a bit of a waste. Also the rear over hang will need to flip up and down to get in that way. So I'm thinking maybe a ply floor or a build up luan top and bottom with maybe 3/4" foam? Weight is a big factor :thinking:

I'm trying to get the wife to sleep in the hall with me tonight to test out dimensions.
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Re: Sleeping on the roof

Postby mvankanan » Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:54 pm

Help please, pictures.

I'm looking for the post that had a link for resizing photo's, I'm totally lost again. I have a kind of mockup I'd like to get up, get some questions asked, hopefully answered, pick up some materials and get the roof racks off and headliner out and get going.

I would also like to see if someone might have a good way to trace the roof line onto what ever I decide to use. It's a bit of a puzzle, it will be a compound cut, after I built the slug I thought I had it figured out but that was for one off the roof, this one I want it to sit tight on the roof with a gasket like seanc used.

I thought I had this down :( I have to relearn everything, every time I guess :?

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Re: Sleeping on the roof

Postby GPW » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:14 pm

Mike . re-sizing photos is usually done in your Photo software in your computer .... “TOOLS”...
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Re: Sleeping on the roof

Postby mvankanan » Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:43 pm

GPW

There was a link that someone put up, I thought it was the second or third post in the thread that spoke on posting photo's I thought the thread spoke to some change in how it was done now or spoke to some other change? I could click on that link and that brought me to my downloads and it just flowed from there. I don't know what kind of photo soft ware I have! I can get the stuff downloaded but then I'm lost. I email it to my self. I got an I phone that my son gave me for free, he gets them from work and they just upgraded his. I don't use it as a phone just to take pictures. I want to use it to see how far I walk but I can't even download the app!

My son in law helps me but he doesn't have the patience to really teach me he ends up doing it all because I'm pretty thick with this, he's in Africa now anyway so no help. I have a friend that I finally called for some help but that won't be till next Thursday. I was hopping to get some help at the Library but that program is not regular, not sure when the help is anyway. I got some help at another Library and they really screwed my computer up.

Should have saved that link or the post number. I should be knapping flint.
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Re: Sleeping on the roof

Postby mvankanan » Fri Apr 01, 2016 3:11 am

See how this goes? The post I was looking for is by toypusher so thanks
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I'm guessing this is up? anyway the contraption is forward of the upright 1x8
( haven't learned to cut things longer) and there is a piece over to the bumper, the bottom of that is the bottom of the build. I decided that it will be better to keep the butt end up rather then on something on the hitch, I'm sure it will be bumped on the ground. If I think that the tire hauler on the bumper will work I'll try to get a price to make that.

Rather crude, I didn't fill it in with bedsheets to define the final dimensions, but I think you can get the general idea. I'm thinking it might be a good idea to get it closer to the final shape, cover it with some old blue tarps and take it out on the road to see what it will be like at highway speed, hopefully on a windy day.

I'll post latter with some of the questions, thoughts. Any feed back will be welcome, even your an idiot :D Going for a hike, I'm up before dawn my favorite time of day, the birds are coming back and no bugs yet.

Sorry about all the crying over the picture deal but it's so frustrating for me. I got booted from my job because of computers.
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Re: Sleeping on the roof

Postby TheOtherSean » Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:08 pm

Interesting. Good luck with the build - I'm looking forward to seeing more of it.

(I am the only one who keeps getting the song "Up On the Roof" stuck in their head every time they see this thread?)
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Re: Sleeping on the roof

Postby rowerwet » Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:55 pm

mvankanan wrote:Help please, pictures.

I'm looking for the post that had a link for resizing photo's, I'm totally lost again.
Mike

I use picresize.com some times, uploading them to Facebook, then downloading the fd sized picture, gives a perfectly resized picture for tnttt.com.
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Re: Sleeping on the roof

Postby mvankanan » Sun Apr 03, 2016 10:31 am

Rowerwet thanks for the info on pictures but maybe I’m all set on this, the post from toyhauler was the one I was looking for.

I’m leaning towards using a panel, 1” foam sandwiched between 1/8 luan as the floor for my build, and then attaching the walls to that. I’m planning on using 2” foam for the rest, walls, roof and hatch. I’m thinking it might be easier to get the panel flat and then build down on the edges to get it tight to the roof profile. Also I will need to either hinge the back, over the rear sitting area, and the area over the access hole in the front. Most of the curve in the vehicle roof is on the edges and in the front, with most of the front roof curve within the skylight hole, where I won’t really need a floor. I’m planning on banding the edges with 1 by pine to protect them. Also since I’m working with 4x8 sheets for the side wall, and nominally a 2’ height I’m less likely to finding myself needing more than a 2’ piece of foam, and needing another sheet. I’m thinking that this will add about 15 lbs to the build, I’d rather not but I’m thinking it might work out better. I think trying to sculpt a 2” piece to lay against the roof bottom would be a big waste of time, and shaping the bottom of the side walls, could result in me being a little short.

It occurred to me that where the wall edges meet the floor I could add a piece of say 3/8” ply that was about 3” higher than the inside of the floor and then rout out the bottom 3” of the foam, making a stronger connection? This is added weight, so maybe it’s not necessary?

It seems that everyone uses some wood in the roof, are these structural? Since interior height is important to me, has anyone routed these into the foam, say ¾”, would this add to or decrease the strength? It would give a larger gluing area.

As far as the shape what can I do to increase the aerodynamics, except build a tear or get a van? :) I’ll try to lower the angle on the front, it’s 45 on the mock up, but bringing it to the rear does cause height problems getting into it from the front. Also most of the tear’s slope down from the high point. How much does all this matter, what can I gain and lose?

The front skylight will be a second windshield, I thought of using the glass from the hatch but it’s too big. Glass is heavy, and I should use safety glass, or some kind of plastic. I’m worried about plastic getting scratched up from the road, more so then on the side or rear. Any suggestions?

I’ll try to get the mock up, cut and covered with plastic or tarps,(wont this look classic) and take it up and down the road to see how it handles, this will be at the end of next week. If I move forward I will pick up the materials the following week and get going.

Thanks again Mike
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Re: Sleeping on the roof

Postby KCStudly » Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:19 pm

If you are worried about aerodynamics at all the first worst thing to do is build up.

Re: roof spars, the assembled strength comes from the inner and outer skins, so interrupting the inner skin by letting the spars interrupt the ceiling panel will not yield maximum strength. Better to have the spars sandwiched between skins.

The only reason I added spars was because of my build sequence. I wanted to install my ceiling ply before forming the foam arch over the top of it and the ply would not support its own weight. If I had built a form to build the roof panel over I may have been able to get away w/o roof spars, but that would have taken more effort and lumber to build the form. It was just cheaper and easier, and more accurate to build in place using spars.

If you are building your roof panel out of foam and then applying a canvas ceiling skin after the fact, you might get away with no spars. The foam can surely support its own weight, especially if kerfed and arched.
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