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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Mite-E-Er Hatch Ribs

Postby GPW » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:22 am

KC, since you’re an admittedly non woodworker , best take small cuts at a time with the router... Don’t try to hog' it out all at once ... sneak up on it ... ;)
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Mite-E-Er Hatch Ribs

Postby KCStudly » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:22 pm

Yup, that's what I did. Thanks, GPW.

So far I'm happy with my wood work. :thumbsup:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Mite-E-Er Hatch Ribs

Postby KCStudly » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:18 pm

No progress today.

Rain again and on Friday I pulled a muscle in my left shoulder demonstrating a dust hood at work.

It bothered me a bit over the weekend, but I was still able to work through it being careful and favoring my right side.

This morning at work I moved a few bulky sheet metal assemblies and that didn't do it any good, so by the end of the day, with some other seemingly "light weight" tasks it was stiff up through my neck and down my left back. Took some aspirin, a hot shower, and had the wife rub some muscle rub into it. Still pretty stiff and sore. Hope it loosens up by tomorrow.

Wednesday at work will be the start of a fairly significant install, so I'm hoping that taking it easy tonight will help it heal up quickly.

Either way, I intend to get back to finishing up the ribs on Wednesday and I'd like to get the scarfing jig guide rail situated, too.

Here's a question for you wood workers out there that have used Bondo (or other types of body filler) as a wood filler. Can it be routed? If I use body filler to level the sides of my laminated wall edging, can I router it back out for the hatch seal?
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Mite-E-Er Hatch Ribs

Postby GPW » Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:45 am

We have used Bondo as a filler , but never routed it .... may be tough on bits .... I dunno ‘ The trick with Bondo (for me) was doing all the leveling (cheese grater, Idiot stick ) , etc. before it cured really hard , then all that was left was the final sanding ... gotta’ work quick , timing is everything , don’t make the mix too hot (too much hardener) , or it’ll fire off immediately in this summer heat ... :shock:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Mite-E-Er Hatch Ribs

Postby wagondude » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:25 am

Bondo is pretty soft and should route fine. Just be sure it is cured or it may stick to the cutter and pull out more than intended. It may also gum up the cutter a little, so be sure to clean it up after.

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:07 pm

Thanks for the inputs. Maybe I should do a test.

What do you guys think about making a slurry of TB2 and saw dust? The laminations on the wall edge rail didn't align perfectly, up to an 1/8 inch shift or more. The shift means that they are thicker than 1-1/2 inches in width, so I will need to plane (or Time Saver) them back, but there will still be some divots to fill. Not so worried about the inside, that will get covered by the inner panel. But the outer surface will need to be smooth so the canvas looks smooth.

Out to Fab Mecca yesterday. Routered out the rest of the hatch ribs.

Tonight I went out and worked on the scarfing jig. Moved the end gusset blocks in a bit to allow a clamp to grab the end, and attached a piece of trim to the sled side to act as a fence to guide the saw.

Pic's at the next camera dump.

Rover Mike was there working out the details of the roll bar for the Rover project and said that the plywood had finally arrived today. Indicated that it looked fine.

I'm really having second thoughts about allowing such a big part of my project to become out of my own control. He has committed to getting the plywood all sawed up by next week, so I guess we are making progress. I am hopeful that the production saw and experienced carpenters will result in accurate cuts. I am still hopeful that the end result will be more accurate than what I could produce on the jalopy at work in the same amount of time.

I'm reluctant to do too many parts out of sequence because if a small adjustment needs to be made here and there along the way, I could be throwing away time and material. I can probably cut out the floor and divider panel for the tongue box/gun cabinet. Maybe the lower sill for the hatch and the stiles (the side vertical boards) of the tongue box/gun cabinets, but the final notch in those will need to be fit to the actual thickness of the front wall. Still trying to come up with a better idea for how to have the gun cabinet be flush with the inside front wall, be thicker/deeper than the wall, and have a tongue box while allowing for flex between the tongue and front wall. Maybe short rubber mounts between the bottom of the tongue box and the mounting tabs on the tongue.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:34 pm

Asked about millable fillers on the Construction Tips & Techniques Forum

http://www.tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=50752
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby RandyG » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:09 am

Oh yeah, TB and sawdust is good but wear latex gloves. :( made that mistake... a few times
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Mite-E-Er Hatch Ribs

Postby eaglesdare » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:07 am

Wolffarmer wrote:Here it is between a 242 and a 220F for size.

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All that is left to do is let the gunk soak in this week, have it setting in a vehicle I am not driving so it will get nice and warm during the day. Sunday morning polish it with a cloth and deliver it. The thing is 1 inch thick, give or take. The dark on the left side is a finger grip put in with a bowl bit. The other side is done on the other end so the board can be used on either side. Kind of my little touch, have not seen any body else do that. It is a cutting board, not a chopping block. Then there are cheese boards, bread boards.

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The first one I made i keep in the trailer. Keep hoping someone will steal it. Then I made 6 more and gave 5 away and keep the worse of those in the house.

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i think those are beautiful! :wine:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:33 pm

Here are the pic's that go with my previous post.

Continued routering out the hatch ribs. Put the double sided tape on the work first then set the template down on the tape using the cardboard sticks to aid alignment. Used four pieces of tape instead of three. This time when I pulled the template half of the tape staid on the template.
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The nice thing about Karl's shop is that it is so big I can work inside and my whole dust pile lands in one place, not all over the shop.
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The Red Grandis makes nice even chips.
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Here you can see that I have the tips of the rib clamped to the corners of the wall rail jig (flipped upside down) so that I can get as much done in a few passes.
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About half way through the last rib Karl noticed the grabbing I was getting and figured out that I was feeding the router in the wrong direction. Doh, not an experienced wood worker.

Things went a lot smoother for that last half rib, but a did get a small area where the grain chipped out. Very minor.

Parts pile is growing.
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Clean up.
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On to the scarfing jig. Here it is sitting up on the back of the fence. You can see that I moved the end gusset blocks away from the ends so that I can get a clamp on there.
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You can also see the low piece of sash trim that is attached to guide the shoe on the saw. The sash trim is tall enough to positively guide the shoe, but is low enough that the saw can still be set deeply without interfering with the motor housing on the saw. Also, you can see the angle of the saw blade (the thin vertical dark shadow) relative to the platform where the ply gets clamped (turn the picture 90 plus degs CW in your head).

And another shot with the saw removed.
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On Saturday we all gathered at Dave's place to celebrate his kid's birthdays, so between the gathering and the ride up and back from Mass., no work got done on the Camper. Dave is a tool junkie. This is the lower shop, chocker block full of machine tools.
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That's Dave on the right inspecting his new drill press (that we brought up from Karl's with us), and chunker team Captain Eric on the left.

Dave is actually making great strides to make the shop functional. For many years there was no path inside. Something had to come out before anything, including people, could go in. Now there is a big horseshoe path that makes it 90% of the way around. You can just make out the library style traveling shelves in the far back.
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Upstairs is the wood shop, still in progress of installing drywall and electrical service. The one stipulation when they built the house was that the shop could not be bigger than the house. It's not, barely. ;) :lol: It's a guy thing.
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The party was fun. Good food, bounce house and lots of activities for the kids, including piñata and air cannon demos.

Last Wednesday was Yvette's and my 13th wedding anniversary, so yesterday we spent the day together (mostly) enjoying lunch, a movie and dinner out, so also no work on the camper.

Tonight I ran out after work and got a sheet of 1/2 inch (15/32) sanded B/C fir ply to use for the floor of the tongue box and the galley counter underlay. Had them rough cut it in their panel saw so that I could get it (almost) into the hatch of the Escape. Had to bungee the hatch closed. I hate putting big pieces of ply back there. The 4 ft width is just doable but always seems to scratch a panel, or in this case snag the seatbelt. Oh well, guess they don't stay new forever.

Also got 4 sticks of 1x6 x 8 ft select (knot free) pine to build the gun locker frame and tongue box bulkhead. Picked out some rubber isolation mounts to go between the floor of the tongue box and trailer. Need to make a slight adjustment for the added height of the mounts, but went ahead and cut all of the locker frame parts to length. Ripped the "cap" and "shed" to a miter angle where they will butt to form the slope on the top of the tongue box just after it penetrates the front wall (the top of the locker is flat where it penetrates the wall, but then transitions to a 10 deg slope to shed rainwater). Clear as mud, right? Keep watching, you will see eventually.

I didn't have the camera with me, but here is the result, just to prove it really happened.
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Build expenses are at $3500.

Rover Mike called today to work out a few details. I had asked him to rip all of my 1x and 2x floor, wall and cabinet structural members from 2x10 DF, but was concerned that any knots would affect yield. He thought he might have select cedar in stock, or could order select pine, but wasn't sure if I was ready for the cost. How does Big Mike's quote go? "The quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten, so build your teardrop with the best materials." No time to mess around with crap knotty lumber. The time and extra material spent working around crap lumber must be damn near just using the good stuff from the beginning.

My boat restoring friend Dale called to encourage me to use West Systems epoxies, said he had really good results using it. Hmm.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby linuxmanxxx » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:21 am

I posted a link a while back to a surfboard epoxy that was uv protected and a decent price with an additive that prevents blush.

Found it here it is.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:40 pm

Thanks, Linux. I'll take a look at that closer later tonight. :thumbsup:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby S. Heisley » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:23 pm

Happy Anniversary, KC and Yvette! May you have many more. :)
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:30 pm

Why thank you, Sharon. That's mighty kind of you.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:58 pm

A little modeling today; moved the tongue box/gun locker up on the front wall 1 inch to allow for McMaster-Carr 9378K52 rubber isolation mounts underneath.

Have been working with Rover Mike over the phone here and there lately. Almost all of the 5 mm ply has been blanked out to size. Mike didn't realize that some of the cut list layout sheets needed to be done the same thing twice, so he had two full sheets left over. We decided to leave these uncut incase I have an "uh oh moment" and need a cushion to recover.

Mike's ordering $600 worth of clear 2x10 cedar to rip all of the stringers (floor frame, spars, cabinet frames, etc.). Ouch! But there will be no messing around with knots and the waste that comes from it. Time is money. :o

End result will be better this way; rot resistant and light weight.

$4100 on the budget and approaching my upper target of $5k fast. :oops: :worship: :roll:

Karl said he had stopped by Mike's and the plywood looks really nice. Can't wait to pick it up! :D
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