PMF shower stall/bathroom

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PMF shower stall/bathroom

Postby ai4kk » Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:46 am

asking my question on here because y'all are the foambuilt experts
I'm hopefully getting ready to head out to Washington for a 3-month travelnursing assignment. While I have 2 acres out there with a small off-grid campsite on it, the assignment is about 150 mi away in Forks and I would be sleeping in my 4x4 Astro van between shifts and going back to my property on my days off.
Do you think PMF would work well and be cost-effective to build a shower / bathroom stall either at the property right outside of my truck camper or maybe even on the cargo rack of my van? The idea would be to have an insulated box that I can set my Mr Buddy in and use a portable hot water heater to take a hot shower before going to work. On the van it would probably be a very small wet bath narrow enough to fit between the taillights of the van but at the property I was thinking about a 4x8 bath house with enough room for a shower and separate toilet / changing area big enough to change clothes.
Whether I go with one idea or both, some of my questions are the same ... How do you get PMF to dry in a cold and humid marine environment like the Pacific Northwest in the wintertime? Is there a problem with frequent exposure to moisture like inside a shower? For the stationary shed, is it necessary to frame it or will it be strong enough by itself since it won't be mobile, at most portable if I move it from one part of the property to the other? Do I need to PMF the inside or maybe just a couple of heavy cuts of waterproof paint?
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Re: PMF shower stall/bathroom

Postby linuxmanxxx » Sun Oct 31, 2021 12:10 pm

Lowe's has a non reinforced plastic that would be far better for the walls. It's light and durable and won't hold mold or mildew in such a wet environment. I'd do both inside and out with it and could be made permanent or able to disassemble. Just use some polyurethane foam safe glue to adhere to the foam.
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Re: PMF shower stall/bathroom

Postby dogcatcher » Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:35 pm

I have seen a deer blind made using PMF. It was a pentagon, about 5 foot across on the inside. Used 5 panels for the 5 walls, that were taped in place then covered with PMF. Roof was 1/2" PVC pipe that was bowed across the top. His roof cover was plain canvas that was stretched over the bowed PVC. The roof canvas was then painted with several coats of paint. The base was built with plywood over 2x4s.

I believe if you cover the interior walls with the plastic sheets that were already mentioned you would be in business.

The blind sits on a 5 foot high tower, and has survived 3 or 4 years of Texas weather and wind.
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Re: PMF shower stall/bathroom

Postby linuxmanxxx » Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:01 pm

Also if you take a 4x8 sheet on each end and angle down a half foot from front to rear 8'in front and 7 1/2' in rear, water runs off the back and a lot easier to not sag on top. If you can get 3/4" foam 1x? match the width and double on roof 1x2 standing on edge matches it or 1 1/2 if you can get it and it would be extremely sturdy. Pallets with a covering for floor let water run out underneath.
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Re: PMF shower stall/bathroom

Postby ai4kk » Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:57 pm

This is why I asked here, y'all gave me some good stuff to think about. Already planning the porous floor...perforated rubber on palettes for the stationary version, steel mesh for the mobile one. Trying to find the plastic sheeting on Lowe's, closest I found was $34 for a 4x8 sheet. Will do more research and look other places as well, but that sounds like the same material. Might even look at one-piece shower surrounds, esp if I can find one used at a home surplus kind of place.
I'm liking the idea...not only for being able to take an off-grid hot shower in a heated room (last year I did a similar assignment in Raymond, WA and my landlord didn't have heat or hot water in his house until I bought a space heater then fixed the wood stove, and my son came to visit and fixed the hot water in the shower) so i know how miserable daily lukewarm showers in a cold room can be. I also like the idea of adding extra room that is tall enough to have a place to stand in without getting a bigger vehicle as I like my little 4X4 Astro van and love the idea of keeping the humidity and any stinkiness out of the van itself.
The fact that i can remove it and use the outside shower in the summer is a bonus
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Re: PMF shower stall/bathroom

Postby ChaseAleny » Tue May 14, 2024 11:37 am

When I was planning my van life setup, I had similar questions about building a portable bathroom. What worked for me was using PMF to create a waterproof and insulated shower stall.
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Re: PMF shower stall/bathroom

Postby ai4kk » Tue May 14, 2024 12:22 pm

I just spent 9 months at my off-grid place in Washington and that's exactly what I did. I built a simple frame out of 2x2's on a floor made out of Coca-Cola pallets (secured to each other along the edges for small metal plates to keep everything level and flat) and covered it with pmf. The door is just a moving blanket hung across the opening. There's plenty of room as you walk in for the composting toilet on the left, a shower pan and shower head on the right, and the propane instant hot water and a Mr Buddy heaters directly ahead.
It worked great, kept any smells from the composting toilet and all the humidity out of the travel trailer which humidity is a huge problem in the PNW, especially in the winter. At first of water just drained through the pallets but then I added a shower pan so that I could collect it into a gray water IBC tote and save it for reuse such as irrigation or dust control in the driveway during the summer drought season.
Since I no longer use the bathroom inside my travel trailer, that is where I put my tool shells and a 50 gallon pressure tank with two 12 volt 60 PSI RV pumps pressurizing it and giving me City style running water with a total of 70 gallons of water actually stored inside the trailer and safe from freezing. The water comes from an a 275 Gallon IBC water tote sitting outside which is refilled from an IBC tote on a trailer until I get my ram pump set up in the creek. The creek water is crystal clear and the state already said I can have water rights and a ram pump should work fine to keep the water tote full. I figure it'll be pumping slow enough from the ram pump to go through a gravity filter on the way in and then I'll put an UltraViolet water sanitizer under the sink to kill any critters that are left in there.
To keep this teardrop related, I did buy a partially finished teardrop Standy out there and will be doing a slightly similar setup on that with a 10 gallon pressure tank and a 4" piece of PVC pipe with a 110 volt hot water heater element but just using a shower tent
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