LGBT in Teardrops

[Law Dawg (Ret)]

If this Christian person comes to my camp and corrects me/shows disapproval of my speech, belief, etc, then they will no longer be welcome.

I am that Christian person and you made my point, in a reverse sense. Seems to me a LGBT or anything else (name your favorite PC acronym) if they understand that not everyone is interested in having their face rubbed in it there will be little to no friction. Reality is that the subject in both directions (Christians and LGBT) is a contentious one with a history of trying to force their particular agendas. Seems to me that when the first post even asks the question, there is already an understanding of the existing tensions and little understanding of the general tone of TD campers here to begin with. This group seem to be generally open and accepting...based on my glance of y'all and your posts. If they are concerned and are not willing to risk taking their lifestyle choices into the arena of ideas that surrounds a campfire ring...well maybe they should form a LBGT TD group where folk can join if they wish. If they have designs on forcing their agenda, which IMO the first post intimates (why else raise the point?), they had best be prepared for others with opposing viewpoints to speak up.

Problem is basic manners and how folk interpret their behavior based on their "rights". If we are camping nearby and your language is foul with volume I might politely ask you to lower the dial a bit...simply because not everyone enjoys gutter talk. Just as I would expect you to ask me to turn down the volume on my Christian music if I forgot my manners. Would I invade your camp to blast you for your pentagram flag (an example only)? No because I have manners just as I would not come to a LGBT (had to look at the title to get the acronym right...again) group and loudly announce that "I'M A CHRISTIAN! IS THAT OK WITH YOU". Tolerance means allowing for differences, within reason, not forced endorsement.

[48Rob]

Law Dawg,

Good post!

I would have no problem camping next to you, or any other similar "Christian".
I would also have no problem with any reasonable neighborly request to not use foul language, have loud music, or to show restraint if women, children, etc. were present.
I'm even tolerant of a neighbor asking me to not use particular words if it is offensive to their beliefs, if done in a kind polite, respectful manner (Shame on me if I goof and allow my behavior to be offensive to a close neighbor anyway, as I do my best to be respectful and follow the Golden Rule).

The objections I have are more related to the forceful applications of views, such as a neighbor trying to "save" me, or telling me that their God doesn't like this or that and that I should change my ways.
I'm there to go camping, If I want religion, I can go to church.

Same can be said for the original subject/person who may want to join the group.
I don't care what sex they are, or used to be, or want to be.
As long as we can be good neighbors and show mutual respect, there will be no issues.

This is someone coming to my camp; of course if I visit theirs, the subject matter is their choice, not mine, and if I don't like it, I can leave.

Rob

[tony.latham]

Stay the HECK OUTTA my camp if ya wanna talk politics!

I draw the line.

Tony

p.s. Or in my neck-of the woods if you're highly opinionated on wolves for that matter.

[noseoil]

Personally, life style choices mean little to me as I grow older. How one lives & treats others is much more important than plumbing, religion, politics or food choices. If you get in my face, I'll ask you to leave, it's that simple. I've done it with friends & family members, why treat strangers any differently?

[razorback]

I have camped with many folks over the last 7 years. We have camped in California, South Padre, to New Mexico, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee, Florida, Alabama,Virginia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Montana, Idaho, and Pennsylvania. We have camped with folks from many other states we have not had the good fortune to visit. We love our teardrop and enjoy folks who love their campers. Many have nicknamed me "The Bacconator". I have found that a good hunk of bacon solves many anxieties folks may have. Tell her to come on over and have some bacon and lets talk Teardrops!!
Larry and Macy

[ctstaas]

Hi All, My local grocery employed Terry, A bald, 50 ish man who felt more comfortable living life as a woman. One day two underage kids wanted to buy some beer and she refused. Before stomping out of the store they called her a F#&%ing Bitc*. She was so happy and turned to a fellow checker and said," He called me a Bitc*". He was happy because someone finally saw him as she saw herself. I thought it was one of the funniest things ever but extremely humanist. My accupuncterist puts the L in LGBT and is one of the kindest, most generous and intelligent persons God put on this earth. If someone didn't like her or her wife I probably would not want to camp next to them. You probably would not want to camp next to me because I have long hair. Not every knows I have donated to Wigs For Kids three times and am working on four. It's something I can do in my sleep and I have good hair. Having long hair thirty years ago was definitely a people exposer. So many have hated me on site. Get to know me first,then,feel free to hate me. Keep your hate an prejudice to yourself because it is ugly and wrong.
Enjoy, Chris

[be_a_jayhawk]

Tell her if she builds/buys a tear she can park it next to mine. If she camps a tear she's probably more interesting and creative than all the big rv buyers in the entire park!

[nevadatear]

I think I would have to disagree with ya'll that have suggested that the original poster, or poster-on-behalf is asking because she wants to be in-your-face or push her agenda. To me it just feels like she wants to see the level of tolerance that exists among those on this board. She is most likely not wanting to be somewhere where she is not wanted, and not wanting to make others uncomfortable should they guess her situation. At least that was my interpretation. But then again, I am among those who do not believe this is a lifestyle choice in the LBGT world, but a genetic or predetermined brain issues. You are born with how you see yourself, male, female, same sex attracted or opposite. It is not a lifestyle choice but sense from birth. It may be a choice in how you express yourself, but not how you feel. As a heterosexual person, ask yourself, have you ever considered another "choice?" in the gender of a mate?

[S. Heisley]

I think I would have to disagree with ya'll that have suggested that the original poster, or poster-on-behalf is asking because she wants to be in-your-face or push her agenda. To me it just feels like she wants to see the level of tolerance that exists among those on this board. She is most likely not wanting to be somewhere where she is not wanted, and not wanting to make others uncomfortable should they guess her situation. At least that was my interpretation. But then again, I am among those who do not believe this is a lifestyle choice in the LBGT world, but a genetic or predetermined brain issues. You are born with how you see yourself, male, female, same sex attracted or opposite. It is not a lifestyle choice but sense from birth. It may be a choice in how you express yourself, but not how you feel. As a heterosexual person, ask yourself, have you ever considered another "choice?" in the gender of a mate?

...Good Reply!

[jstrubberg]

As a heterosexual person, ask yourself, have you ever considered another "choice?" in the gender of a mate?

I can't say I have, but then I've come to realize as I get older that I know A way, not THE way. There's room for more than one.

[Wanna Be]

It takes all kinds of books to fill the library !!

As long as they have an interest and show some mutual respect,,, WELCOME !!

Just my $0.02 cents worth


Wanna Be

To expand on this statement;

Life is kinda like a library, walk in and look at the titles.
Pick one to read,, You don't like it, put it back and try again.
You are quiet, and polite when in there, Show some respect to the others in there learning from the books.

If you are quiet and show respect, Come on over and sit down.
We'll find something to talk about.

This is a proven problem by the DRs more learned than I, And its from before birth, So NO CHOICE for whom ever has this condition.
They have to deal with it however they must before they go crazy,,, OR worse kill themselves.
I try to show respect to all, and try to have an open mind, and LISTEN !!
You never know what you might learn.

Wanna Be

[Martiangod]

I carry an Axe and a shovel when I camp. I could be an axe murderer, heck, I even have a hatchet for the little pieces.
If your in the next site to me do you know who I am?
Do you care?
If I worried bout who I camped around I'd never go camping

[booyah]

My parents did a good job of impressing this on me.

When I first meet someone I treat them with the respect I would a I didnt know in their church priest on Sunday. That is this person is in their home element, has committed their life to what they do, and they honestly want to do the best that they can. They've welcomed me into the home element, and it would be the poorest of manners to not be welcome.

Beyond that point, I cater to how the individual acts.

Basically I give you a bucket. Its d**** near full when you start. You can fill it up, or drain it down. You're call.

Your friend gets the same bucket

[S. Heisley]

This article seemed to fit here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/1 ... 96698.html

Also, this one: http://www.krcrtv.com/news/transgender- ... d/28055512

Our society continues to evolve.

[doug hodder]

I camped with all those letters this weekend....Lizards, Ground squirrels, Bears and Ticks....no problems....Doug