From Our Troops in Iraq

[kerryd]

Hi Mark , there are no truer words spoken ! Kerry

[Joseph]

I think Politicians from both side of the aisle tend to protect there own and run for cover if they think they will get caught up in the fracas. I got your back unless it affects my front!

As a rule, you're right. But I think Newt Gingrich, Trent Lott, Tom DeLay and now Mark Foley would vehemently disagree. For some reason, Republicans seem much more willing to throw one of their own under the bus rather than form ranks and tell the other side to pound sand.

DeLay had to resign as Majority Leader because the Republicans have a rule that requires their members to resign leadership positions if indicted. The Democrats have no such rule.

Joseph

[Ira]

But I think Newt Gingrich, Trent Lott, Tom DeLay and now Mark Foley would vehemently disagree.

Will the list of self-righteous Republicans leaving the scene in disgrace ever END!?

[Joseph]

Will the list of self-righteous Republicans leaving the scene in disgrace ever END!?

Probably not. Just as the list of self-righteous Democrats who SHOULD be leaving the scene in disgrace will never start. Ted Kennedy for manslaughter if not murder, is the oldest example. They HAVE no shame.

Joseph

[Ira]

Will the list of self-righteous Republicans leaving the scene in disgrace ever END!?

Probably not. Just as the list of self-righteous Democrats who SHOULD be leaving the scene in disgrace will never start. Ted Kennedy for manslaughter if not murder, is the oldest example. They HAVE no shame.

The Kennedy card doesn't work any more, so you guys should stop playing it. You haven't been able to unseat him since time began, so you gotta examine what's wrong with your party:

Maybe the things he fights for, his vision for America, ring a much truer bell than what you guys keep espousing.

And please--enough with this "tax and spend Democrat" cliche. Total nonsense, when you look at the budgets and deficits of Republican and Democrat administrations over the past 30 years.

That leaves you guys with "defense" and a "strong America" as your last argument.

Yeah, we got a real strong America--more than 100 Americans dead in Iraq in October, 3 years after we went in.

When do we get stronger? When 200 are dead next month!?

[Miriam C.]

But I think Newt Gingrich, Trent Lott, Tom DeLay and now Mark Foley would vehemently disagree.

Will the list of self-righteous Republicans leaving the scene in disgrace ever END!?

Now we agree. However if everyone plays by the same rules we will know they are all crooked without giving the benifit of the doubt.

Ok, maybe we do. They're politicians. Lordy you guys need to read your own stuff. Republicans hold thier own accountable! (if caught). Democrats don't!!!(unless caught)

Perhaps a Constitutional Amendment forbiding "The Party" to make rules for Congress. That the Republican Party can oust a member voted in says our votes count for nothing unless "They" agree.

I don't vote for the Party.

[Joseph]

The Kennedy card doesn't work any more, so you guys should stop playing it.

I'm not playing it, per se. I know he's locked in for as long as he lives. My point was about the ancient history of Democrat scandals that don't have any effect on their political careers.

You haven't been able to unseat him since time began, so you gotta examine what's wrong with your party:

What's wrong with the Libertarian party? Aside from the fact that the system is against us as far as holding high office...

Maybe the things he fights for, his vision for America, ring a much truer bell than what you guys keep espousing.

What is that vision, pray? You can't find a Democrat to spell it out. Meanwhile you're running Democrats who are pretending to be conservative in order to gain seats.

And please--enough with this "tax and spend Democrat" cliche.

Will you quit changing the subject?!! Nowhere in this discussion did I say ANYTHING about "tax and spend Democrats."

Total nonsense, when you look at the budgets and deficits of Republican and Democrat administrations over the past 30 years.

Which is precisely why I'm a Libertarian.

That leaves you guys with "defense" and a "strong America" as your last argument.
Yeah, we got a real strong America--more than 100 Americans dead in Iraq in October, 3 years after we went in.
When do we get stronger? When 200 are dead next month!?

How many American troops did we lose in Germany to "Werewolves" after WWII was over?

But to answer your question: we will be stronger when Iraq can stand on its own as a stable democracy in the middle east - something that Democrats appear to be doing all they can to undermine and prevent.

Joseph

[Joseph]

Republicans hold thier own accountable! (if caught). Democrats don't!!!(unless caught)

They don't hold them accountable even then - they do all they can to protect them and excuse their behavior.

Joseph

[Elumia]

Here you will find a number of Republicans and Democrats who have left office in disgrace, or found trouble with the law.

http://politicalgraveyard.com/special/t ... grace.html

[Ira]

Here you will find a number of Republicans and Democrats who have left office in disgrace, or found trouble with the law.

http://politicalgraveyard.com/special/t ... grace.html

It's been 2 minutes and the page is STILL loading.

That's ONE heck of a list!

[Ira]

HEY! I FOUND ONE I KNOW!

Steven Effman (b. 1950) — also known as Steve Effman — of Sunrise, Broward County, Fla. Born in New York, New York County, N.Y., October 13, 1950. Married to Barbara S. Effman. Democrat. Lawyer; mayor of Sunrise, Fla., 1993-96; member of Florida state house of representatives 98th District, 1997-; delegate to Democratic National Convention from Florida, 2000. Jewish. Member, B'nai B'rith. Admitted in 2003 to inappropriate relationships with three divorce clients; suspended from the practice of law for 91 days. Still living as of 2003.

HE USED TO BUY ME BEERS!

[Joseph]

In my (never to be) humble opinion, wanting to hold political office should be an automatic disqualifier. Those who "serve" should be drafted by the electorate and dragged, kicking and screaming, into public office, to remain there for one term before being released back into the real world.

Joseph

[Miriam C.]

In my (never to be) humble opinion, wanting to hold political office should be an automatic disqualifier. Those who "serve" should be drafted by the electorate and dragged, kicking and screaming, into public office, to remain there for one term before being released back into the real world.

Joseph

[sdtripper2]

In my (never to be) humble opinion, wanting to hold political office should be an automatic disqualifier. Those who "serve" should be drafted by the electorate and dragged, kicking and screaming, into public office, to remain there for one term before being released back into the real world.

Joseph

This idea of drafting these people into public office altruistically, is a pipe dream!
Even one term is enough to infect and defile the most righteous person in that cesspool of lawyer speak liars.


The Republicans start out thinking they will make Government responsible
and smaller and end uP on the K-street dart boards. *snaP-snaP* We don't
need to rehash the latest scandals of money here from their corruption,
right now, let alone the many hypocrisies, but we know them to be true.

The Democrats start out thinking they will help people through give away
programs and find out soon enough that corporate welfare trumps their
idealistic views for little people every time. The temptations are too great,
over time and money finds its way into their pockets as well.

If by chance these persons are innocent political draftees at first, they sure
learn soon enough in both parties to talk to the 66 lobbyist per
representatives and through some not so subtle money favors get corrupted.
When the streets of Washington D.C. are awash with corporate money
paying for every little whim to subvert democracy the temptations are
just too great. "Go along to get along" is the motto in those defiled streets.

The perks are just too good., Years of stacking the deck in favor of
these parasites feeding off the public taxes will not stop. It becomes a
manner of life style enhancements and power. The K-street revolving door
is scandalous. The Dem's are just salivating after being kept out by Tom
Delay (Republican The Hammer) from K-street for so long,
as they taste the first breezes of big corporate money that owns our so
called democracy. If this election brings the Democrats power nothing will
change as far as the back-street K-boys are concerned. Just another hand
to put money in, to keep real democracy a farce.

It should be known that through media manipulation these skilled parasites,
keep people stirred up emotionally and point them where they want the
masses attention to be.

Mean while behind the curtain where prying eyes don't see. The cynical
injustice of our abused democracy is being buggered to death.

[kerryd]

Steve , Thanks . So well put ! Kerry