Just to prove if you have patience you can score what you have always wanted real cheap. You all make fun of me and how much cast iron I carry so I have been on the look out for an aluminum DO (they are lighter) and low and behold at a garage sale on Saturday I got this 12" aluminum dutch oven with a lid stand and lid lifter for $2 (yes Two) and the cornbread pan from the neighbor's yard sale for $2! So $4 total I got four things.... man you can't buy manure that cheap! Yes they both cook fine.