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Seen: small trailer in Airstream style

Postby angib » Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:18 pm

This 10ft long by 6 1/2ft wide (body) trailer was built by John Cronin in Whittier, CA. The text on a sketch says "small as possible to sleep two with shower and pot".

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These are several photos of this trailer in a gallery on Maxitear. I don't think John is a member here, though his name rings a bell: can Gage or Rob add something? - there can't be that many Model A's towing trailers in CA! I've emailed John to ask him to drop in here.

Several people have talked about making an aerodynamic trailer and I reckon John's is pretty close.

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Postby s4son » Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:06 pm

That's awesome, I would really like to see some pictures of the interior and cunstruction. It's only 10 feet long, that still counts as a TTT doesn't it?

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Postby Bill Fernandez » Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:25 pm

s4son wrote:That's awesome, I would really like to see some pictures of the interior and cunstruction. It's only 10 feet long, that still counts as a TTT doesn't it?

Scott F.


I would to, I started to make mine 10 ft long wish That I would have.

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Re: Seen: small trailer in Airstream style

Postby steve wolverton » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:44 pm

angib wrote:This 10ft long by 6 1/2ft wide (body) trailer was built by John Cronin in Whittier, CA. The text on a sketch says "small as possible to sleep two with shower and pot".

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Yup, that's my next stitch-n-glue build right there. Cover those wheels! ;)
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Postby angib » Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:54 pm

Follow the link to the photo gallery and you'll see that the builder has made some wheel spats!

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Postby s4son » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:10 pm

Ok, I am mathematically and geometrically challenged, how do you figure the panel sizes and shapes. It would be cool to make a miniature Airstream but I don’t have the confidence or knowledge to do that roof.

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Postby dwgriff1 » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:46 pm

For a long time I have thought of making some sort of a camper ripping off the basic design, but naturally, I want it in wood.

The 1/8 ply I have been using will bend pretty tight the short way. It would take some careful fitting, but I think it could be done, without too much trouble.

Maybe an Avion style pickup camper!?!

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Postby angib » Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:08 am

John Cronin has kindly replied with lots of information, so here it is:

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For years my youngest son and I camped at Bluegrass Music Festivals using simple tents [we play a little guitar and banjo]. Our counterparts attended in big bucks motor homes and campers. We liked the simplicity of tent camping but the downside was a long setup and takedown period, so I decided to build a trailer.

I knew exactly what our needs were and I wanted to keep things simple. At every outing we would hear people's complaints about equipment failure; refrigerators, stoves, air conditioners, heaters, generators, TVs, etc. I wanted to avoid those problems, hence no hi tech equipment whatsoever (to fail) on my 'rig'. I also wanted to make it as small as possible for ease of towing. My only concession to modern gadgetry is interior electric lights and a couple outside plug ins at key stations.

I always admired the AIRSTREAMS of the '30's and that's what influenced the design. I wanted it to look 'old'. The most frequently asked question about it is, "What year is this?" My answer, "2004". Took eleven months to build.

As simple as it is, it has three features the most expensive models do not have. One is an outside auxiliary sink [located at top of storage box at front], a true luxury. The other is a 'no step up' rear entry at back door. When I arrive at campsite I remove a (2 foot) square floor panel which allows entry to the back of trailer, while still standing on the ground, without having to 'step up' into the trailer. From this point I can reach most of the things one goes 'into' the trailer for. Climbing 'up' into a trailer 100 times a day gets a little tiring. The little TEARDROP trailers are nice in that regard, no climbing steps. The third exclusive feature is that the trailer is symmetrical on the exterior. The roll up (for travel) awning can mount to either side as does the snap on outside cooking counter. The interior of the trailer is for sleeping, full bathroom, hot and cold food and equipment storage. All cooking and other activities are done outside. In foul weather the two bunk beds can fold up to allow dining, etc. inside.

When I read about restoration jobs the restorer invariably says, "I had to replace all the dry rotted wood." My framework is all steel. The only wood is a short section of flooring down the center, sealed with 'undercoating' on the bottom side. The frame rails are 2" square tubing (some 3/16 thick, some 1/4) reinforced at high stress points. Tongue members are 3" channel. Axle is 3" square tubing with (bolt on) spindles and wheels from a '63 Ford pick up truck. Tail lights from same truck. Leaf springs from a '52 Mercury. [If I ever build another, I will consider a torsion type axle/spring set up for a lower profile].

The hardest part was fabricating the 24 'banana peel' curved upper corners. I found out later there is a tool (English Wheel) that would have made things a little easier. The fasteners are self drilling/self taping #8 screws (not rivets). Oh, one other thing, the skin is .020 thick galvanized steel (not aluminum). The galvanized steel gives the exact 'aged' look I was looking for. Weighs less than 1500 pounds full up. Insulated with 1" fiberglass, covered with 3/8 inch aluminized 'bubble wrap'. Shower floor at front center has an 8" step down for added headroom at curvature of roof. [Step down floor can be seen in pic with Model 'A'].

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Doing our thing; pickin' Bluegrass.

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* Awning for food prep counter.
* Food prep counter.
* Removable floor panel at rear door with mosquito blocking curtain deployed.
* 8" wind turbine on roof under 20 gallon water tank under solar heated four gallon hot water tank. [Tank is out of camera view].
* American, US Marine, & Bluegrass Club flags.
* Note the TINSTREAM logo. [So as not to be confused with that 'other trailer manufacturer'].

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No wood to rot.
2" square tube frame.
1" square tube vertical members.
1" and 2" x 1/8 curved members.
3" channel tongue.

Valuable fabricating assets:
*Three casters tack welded to frame for ease of movement during fabrication.
*Two screw jacks tack welded in place to 'level & plumb' work during critical measurements.
*A small wire feed electric arc welder. [US made "Lincoln 125"]
*A hand powered hack saw. US made Milwaukee "Porta-Band".
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Postby fornesto » Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:41 am

:o I'm going to be in serious trouble with the wife. There's no way I can finish my life on Earth without building one of these. (I'm 29 so I have some time). Lincoln Welder eehh?

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=95359

This doesn't help the case...
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Postby s4son » Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:28 pm

Andrew,
Would you kindly ask Mr. Cronin if he has any photos of the interior and dropped floor? Also, what is the radius of the corners?

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Postby angib » Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:46 pm

s4son wrote:Would you kindly ask Mr. Cronin if he has any photos of the interior and dropped floor?

I've done that already!

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Postby s4son » Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:53 pm

angib wrote:
s4son wrote:Would you kindly ask Mr. Cronin if he has any photos of the interior and dropped floor?

I've done that already!

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Postby sunny16 » Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:52 pm

I think I may have found my trailer build number two! That one would be cool. I await interior pics and maybe even some other dimemsions.
I cut it three times and it's still too short!!
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Postby angib » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:31 pm

I hope John will be joining us here shortly. In the meantime, here's another photo he sent of the 'Tinstream':

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Postby angib » Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:47 am

John has now sent me so many photos that I decided to start a Photobucket album for them:

John's Tinstream Photos

John has sent me more replies:

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Again I can't believe the interest some T&TTT folks have shown in TINSTREAM; and it's not even a TD. I'll try to answer the questions and throw in some other stuff that might be of interest. Again I remind you the emphasis was on simplicity, and the '30's look, throughout the build.

Dave from Idaho asked about bending 1/8 plywood for the corners and Scott from Missouri said he was mathematically challenged to figure out the bends. 1/8 ply will easily bend for the compound curve of the banana peels (as I call them). Steve from TX and Sunny from Utah also wanted corner info.

In my case the (compound) curve of the corners was the surface of a 1/8 ellipsoid with a major diameter of 62 inches and a minor diameter of 50 inches. A football, or watermelon, is an ellipsoid. Any cut square and perpendicular to the length (like you cut a loaf of bread) will produce a circle at the cutting plane. Any cut lengthwise will produce an ellipse at the cutting plane. Looking at TINSTREAM head-on, the corner curves are that of a 50 inch circle;looking from the side, the corner curves are that of an ellipse 62 (x 50).

My 62 x 50 elliptical shape was based on the length/width/height of my trailer. The elliptical/circle [ellipsoid] shape (to me) is more pleasing than a circular/circular [spherical] shape (like a basketball).

If any of you guys want the exact method of plotting an ellipse of the proportions you like, I can send it.

Fornesto from CA and Bill from FL wanted inside details which the photos will show.

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*TINSTREAM logo lettering matches 'that other manufacturer' of the '30's. *California (trailer coded) black license plate was last issued in the early '60's and seems to be high on the 'want list' of the old trailer guys. *Tips of hardwood skids show below either side of door. *Hooks on door bottom are part of a system which holds a mosquito blocking curtain when rear floor panel is removed at campsite. *Multi position vertical bar (one of two) for leveling trailer and preventing spring bounce when entering and exiting. *Light & switch illuminates door lock at night. *USA star on roof IDs us as Friendlies from the air. *Shutters (four sides) slide down to open; screen only, no glass. Can be blocked inside for privacy.

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*Cooler in easy reach without having to climb in. *Privacy curtain. *Faint outline of removable floor panel.

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*Floor panel dropped. *Cooler mounted upright thinks it's a refrigerator. *12v sealed battery to left of cooler. *Hooks hold mosquito barrier curtain (not installed).

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*Head of portside bunk. *Night light. *Vertical green is half of mosquito net for bunk. *Starboard bunk same.

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*Foot of portside bunk. *Shelving. *Vertical green is other half of mosquito net for bunk.

(pause for breath, part two follows)
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