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JEEP - Right Side Trailer turn/stop Lights not working

Postby bytehoven » Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:55 pm

Right Side Trailer turn/stop Lights not working

I had the Mopar 7-pin harness installed by a Jeep dealer as part of my hitch install. They did not do a scan tool program change, said it wasn't needed.

I test with a 7pin -> 4pin adapter and a 4 pin light tester and all seemed fine.

When I picked up the new trailer today, the right side did not work, no turn or stop, only running lights.

The relay for the right side was missing from the fuse box. I popped in a new relay, and still no joy on the right side.

I'm still kicking myself for not asking the dealer to test the harness the day of the install.

Any suggestions?

I assume I will have to have the dealer revisit the harness install and adjust accordingly.

Just wondered if there was anything I could check to avoid scheduling the visit.

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Postby Kens » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:03 pm

Same thing happened to me. Pinched wire on the trailer blew out all running lights on one side car and trailer.
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Postby starleen2 » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:53 pm

posted this some time ago on another thread - but it might help just in case:

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First, I have a four-pin connector and 2006 Jeep wrangler unlimited
It seems that if there is a significant ground problem in the trailer wiring, the turn signal indicators will stop working along with the brake lights. Before a trip, I always inspect and test the lights to make sure that they are in working condition. , The night before all was well, however I placed the trailer tongue on a jack stand for the night not noticing that it had pierced the wiring. When I connected the trailer the next day � surprise! No lights on the trailer and to make things worse � no lights on the jeep either! No problem I thought � just a blown fuse. And sure enough a blown fuse in the stoplights and turn signals along with another for the turn signal relay module. I replaced the fuses and still no turn signals on the Jeep. After about an hour of head scratching and searching, I determined that the turn signal module was the problem � I called every parts store in town and no one had the part. I called every Jeep dealership in the area and none of them had the part either. Every service parts rep seemed to think that the problem was in the relay module and to make matters worse it was an electronic module mounted in the steering column and cost about $45.00. Looked like the trip was going to be cancelled until I got the new part. However, while speaking to a service person inquiring if this was covered under warranty, he mentioned that the module could be checked by running a diagnostics on the computer and perhaps reset. I got an Idea � what if I disconnected the battery and reconnected it? Sure enough the module reset itself and the turn signals worked again. I did find the ground problem and fixed the trailer wiring and off we went. I hope this helps somebody.
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Postby eamarquardt » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:59 pm

Here is what I would do:

1. Disconnect trailer
2. Make sure all relays and fuses are intact
3. Check Jeep to see if everything works on jeep w/o trailer being hooked up. Check lt, rt (these usually use the same filiment as the brake lights), and tail lights .
4. Then check trailer connector with a real bulb. Bulbs draw more current than leds and make high resistance connections easier to identify. Perhaps use a spare connector with a bulb wired to it for each test. Check rt, lt, and tail lights.

if no: require dealer to fix jeep for no charge!

if yes:

1) pull all bulbs from trailer lights
2) check rt, lt, and tail light wires to make sure no continuity to ground. If there is, fix short, and retest
3) replace bulbs and use 12 volt battery and jumper wires (maybe with a ten amp fuse in line) to test rt, lt, and tail lights wtihout being hooked up to jeep.
4) if all tests good, the jeep and trailer should work when hooked together.

My Ford van has a special set up and the the "big computer in the sky" turns on a warning light on the dash when it detects a burned out bulb. Had to buy an $80 interface to hook up a trailer so it wouldn't damage the van's electrical system because the bulbs are always "hot" (have 12 volts to them) and they are turned on by grounding the downstream lead as opposed to turning on the voltage to the bulb. If the computer doesn't see 12 volts on the downstream side of the bulb all the time the bulb is burned out and the "computer" figures this out and turns on the warning light. I doubt this is your problem as you have one side that work's ok but you might ask the dealer to be sure.

Re the post above. I cleaned my wife's car and her radio stopped working. Display read: TEL, and the radio wouldn't respond to any buttons. I figured the radio needed a "boot" so I disconnected the battery and reconnected it. Radio then worked fine. THEN I "yelled" at #1 wife for blaming me for breaking her radio as its locking up probably had nothing to do with my cleaning her car. She did say her car looked nice.

Hope this helps.

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Postby Dale M. » Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:22 pm

Test pin 6 of 7 way connector with test lamp to ground (turnsignal on) ......

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IF it blinks at jeep, trouble is in trailer wiring (bad bulb-broken wire)... IF it does not blink at pin 6, problem is in Jeep... Take it back to dealer...

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Postby bytehoven » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:47 pm

OK...

I have confirmed a few things.

20 amp fuses to the left/right trailer relays OK

Both left/right relays are switching when activated and I reversed the relays to make sure that wasn't the problem with current going to the harness.

As before with the LED tester, a bulb test reveals.

Park Lamp all around OK
Left Turn OK
Left Stop OK
Right Turn NO
Right Stop NO

Don't know if there are inline fuses for the harness in the driver side wheel well, where the harness is brought forward for the hook up.

I will be calling the Jeep dealer that installed the harness tomorrow.

Thanks for the suggestions.

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Postby Shadow Catcher » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:13 pm

We had ours fail with in a month of installation and during replacement the installer said that the converter will sometimes/often fail with in a short span of time. I will be interested in seeing what the outcome is. I do carry a spare converter with me.
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Postby bytehoven » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:49 am

The Jeep goes in Wednesday morning for a few service items and the harness.

I'll report the outcome.
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Postby bytehoven » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:49 pm

TIPM - Totally Integrated Power Module

Is being blamed for my trailer lighting problem.

I await the arrival of a replacement module and then install.
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Postby madjack » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:53 pm

FYI...tail-lite converters/TIPM (same thing) failure is a common problem...usually they fail pretty quickly, if not, they are usually good to go for an extended period of time...or so I have read/been told............
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Postby bytehoven » Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:58 pm

Is there programming required for module replacement or can the module be swapped out and then be ready to roll?

If it's a common failure item, dealer parts departments ought to stock it.
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Postby Shadow Catcher » Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:21 pm

Many/some vehicles have a factory installed harness/plug. that plug may be fairly unique. the module however is basically box stock and if all else fails you cut off and splice in a new module to replace the factory unit. There are heavy duty modules available.
When I won Mega-Mini #1 I all of a sudden had to find and have installed a trailer hitch and seven prong plug on my Subaru Ouback. U-Haul had what appears to be a re-badged Hidden Hitch in stock and they could install the plug. They unfortunately did their usual tap into the existing light wires ignoring the factory harness and plug. the module failed fairly quickly and they replaced it.I have however picked up a Subaru trailer harness that I can at any time plug into the harness as a spare.
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Postby pete.wilson » Sat Dec 26, 2009 8:16 am

Hey

What was found to be the problem? Did you ever swap tail light assy's, left to the right and vice versa? Maybe there is a bad blinking module or control section of the right light assy. Just a thought.

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Postby bytehoven » Sun Dec 27, 2009 2:59 am

swapping the relays did not work. When swapped, the left continued to work the right did not.

The problem has been narrowed down to the TIPM and I have yet to get back to the dealer for the repair due to the holidays.

I will follow up when the repair is complete.
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Postby bytehoven » Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:47 am

Update...

The required power modules are back ordered.

I guess between the general parts inventory challenges of the Chrysler melt down and the common failure of the modules, there part is hard to get right now.
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