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Postby canned o minimum » Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:29 am

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Postby JuneBug » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:35 pm

Those are all amazing photos. Took a long time looking to realize the magnitude of the slide! So incredibly grateful that no one was killed, but one has to ask: Does it really make any sense to rebuild that road? Found some interesting blogs by Mike Henle about the challenges of driving SR 14 & contemplating when it was going to let go:
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Postby Corwin C » Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:30 pm

I have to disagree with Mr. Henle about SR 14. There are many on this forum who have driven it and I think most would agree with me. Granted, it is a steep, high elevation, low volume, canyon road and should be respected, but I absolutely do not believe that it's a danger to anyone who "dares" drive upon it. I feel MUCH more comfortable on 14 than I do on the freeway in most cities. SR 14 is NOT a super highway and never will be. Mr. Henle states that he should have been warned about the road when he bought property on US 89. I'm sorry, but don't most people look and see what is around them before they buy real estate? I can imagine his reaction now, "What do ya mean it's 45 minutes to WalMart!" (an hour and 45 now without 14) It is incredibly scenic and beautiful year around but trying to hurry on it would be a fool's errand. I agree with him that there has been some issues in the recent past, and steps were being taken to stabilize the roadway and hillside, but they were too little, too late. You can see in the previously posted aerial pictures that the slope to the right has already been reshaped in an attempt to prevent exactly what happened. This is no small task as well because of the logistic, financial, environmental, and scenic issues that have to be resolved in order to do this type of work. ('nuff said ... I don't need to go there)

SR 14 will be repaired because not having it adds over an hour to people's commutes and for access to hospitals, grocery stores, shopping, (essentially everything), for significant portions of South Central Utah. The detour that the people are now taking is just as challenging as SR 14 is, if not more so. There are only 5 roads from the US 89 corridor to I-15 from I-70 to the Utah/Arizona border (about 120 miles.) SR 153 (dirt often rough & wash-boarded, seasonal road, over 10,000' elevation, low speed), SR 20 (good road, recently rebuilt, inconveniently situated for most people), SR 143 (very similar to SR 14, over 10,000' elevation, and currently composes a large portion of the detour around the slide), SR 14 (where the slide was), and SR 9 (toll road, limited traffic volume through Zion National Park, and also inconveniently situated for most people).

I hold no malice for Mr. Henle and wish him well, but it is really frustrating when people "move in" from the "big city" to enjoy our wonderful little communities, and the first thing that they try to do is make it more like where they came from. Go figure? SR 14 is a lifeline for many, the issues are/were well known, and it will be rebuilt taking into account and mitigating as many concerns as financially, environmentally, and physically possible. The final result may not be up to his standards, but I have a feeling that it never will be.
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Postby Wolffarmer » Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:15 pm

I have been hearing of Utah Highway 14 for many years and it is high on my list to do sometime. Along with some others down there. I have been there a bit in the past and the scenery is just dazzling.

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Postby Corwin C » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:09 pm

That's one of the best things about where I live ... pick a road and go. Guaranteed you will travel through scenery worth seeing.

SR 12 is a favorite of mine. (visit the link and there are many others ... words can't describe it) It takes less than a day to visit from one end to the other (about 120 miles), but much longer to see all that one can see (lifetime?) On one end is Red Canyon and Bryce Canyon (red rock & hoodoos), in the middle is Head of the Rocks, Calf Creek Falls, and the Hogback (imagine plowing snow on that ... been there) on the other end is Boulder Mountain (high alpine forest) with absolutely stunning views across Capitol Reef NP and beyond. Red rock tunnels (inspiration for Cars the movie?), dinosaur tracks, petrified forests, gorgeous little lakes, several small towns (each with their own character), Native American sites writing & artifacts, etc. etc. Take your time and don't miss a turnout.
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Postby Ratkity » Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:12 am

Corwin C wrote:That's one of the best things about where I live ... pick a road and go. Guaranteed you will travel through scenery worth seeing.

SR 12 is a favorite of mine. (visit the link and there are many others ... words can't describe it) It takes less than a day to visit from one end to the other (about 120 miles), but much longer to see all that one can see (lifetime?) On one end is Red Canyon and Bryce Canyon (red rock & hoodoos), in the middle is Head of the Rocks, Calf Creek Falls, and the Hogback (imagine plowing snow on that ... been there) on the other end is Boulder Mountain (high alpine forest) with absolutely stunning views across Capitol Reef NP and beyond. Red rock tunnels (inspiration for Cars the movie?), dinosaur tracks, petrified forests, gorgeous little lakes, several small towns (each with their own character), Native American sites writing & artifacts, etc. etc. Take your time and don't miss a turnout.


Thanks for the info!! That's going on my Bucket list!

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Postby Corwin C » Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:39 pm

Ratkity wrote:Thanks for the info!! That's going on my Bucket list!

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Postby JuneBug » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:41 pm

Corwin C wrote:That's one of the best things about where I live ... pick a road and go. Guaranteed you will travel through scenery worth seeing.

SR 12 is a favorite of mine. (visit the link and there are many others ... words can't describe it) It takes less than a day to visit from one end to the other (about 120 miles), but much longer to see all that one can see (lifetime?) On one end is Red Canyon and Bryce Canyon (red rock & hoodoos), in the middle is Head of the Rocks, Calf Creek Falls, and the Hogback (imagine plowing snow on that ... been there) on the other end is Boulder Mountain (high alpine forest) with absolutely stunning views across Capitol Reef NP and beyond. Red rock tunnels (inspiration for Cars the movie?), dinosaur tracks, petrified forests, gorgeous little lakes, several small towns (each with their own character), Native American sites writing & artifacts, etc. etc. Take your time and don't miss a turnout.

Corwin, all interesting points. I just picked Mr. Henle's blogs out since they dealt with the topic at hand; I can see how it would resonate strongly for you. He is a writer; contact him and respond to his blog -- perhaps an interesting dialog could get underway.
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Geez, I don't know?

Postby mkitchen » Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:18 pm

I don't know if even duct tape will work on that one. Is Utah looking at fixing the road or re-routing completely?

Is this the road that goes from Cedar City up to Cedar Breaks? If it is, that is one of the most scenic routes that I have been on. I have ridden it on my bicycle and just recently drove up (last June) with our new tear drop. Almost froze to death at the Breaks.
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Postby hugh » Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:36 pm

My wife and i drove that road, also #12 3 weeks ago in our little Miata on a trip that was on my bucket list for years. It was all beautiful. Picture this, roof off, we are on the hogback, I tell the wife take some pictures, she says I can,t look, it,s too steep, so I say gimme the camera I will take a few while driving. She gives me a horrified look and yell,s just keep your eyes on the road. Great fun. I was wishing for my truck so I could have the little trailer along instead of hoteling it all the way but a small convertible sports car was a great viewing platform. Maybe some roads don,t make sense from a commuter viewpoint, but they sure are nice for the soul to experience.
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Re: Geez, I don't know?

Postby Corwin C » Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:43 am

mkitchen wrote:I don't know if even duct tape will work on that one. Is Utah looking at fixing the road or re-routing completely?


The plan is still to rebuild the road. I doubt that will change. Bidding process is in place and we expect to have a contractor ready to go to work mid/late November. The alignment of the new highway is still being discussed, but a complete re-routing is out of the question due to terrain and distance issues. The road from SR14 to Cedar Breaks/Brian Head is impassable in the winter, which will increase the detour for some (Duck Creek) to around 90 minutes (one way). The latest estimate for getting SR14 passable ... June 2012 (weather dependent.) Currently plow crews are being adjusted/shuffled to help provide better service to detour routes for the winter. As of right now, state employees been asked to recommend people use either SR20 or SR9 when bad weather hits. Our best efforts are going to be applied to SR143, but we are unsure how reliable that route will be in stormy conditions.

Without question, it's going to be a long winter for those who depend upon this route.
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