Help! Out of Disk Space

Things that don't fit anywhere else...

Help! Out of Disk Space

Postby rebapuck » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:04 am

For the last month, I have been losing free disk space at an alarming rate. I have uninstalled numerous programs. I delete temporary files constantly. Disk cleaned and defragged until I ran out of enough space to do it anymore. All I do is email and surf. No work is done on this computer. No big music files downloaded. When I write a letter, I print and delete it. I should have 30GB of space on this thing.

Last night, I turned off the computer with 514mb left. I turn it on this morning, it's down to 134mb. Where is it going? And how do I stop it? Will it freeze up and become useless?

Help me plug this leak!!!
Judy
1966 VW camper
1967 VW singlecab
Image
User avatar
rebapuck
.
 
Posts: 2243
Images: 1
Joined: Thu May 14, 2009 1:55 pm
Location: Chapel Hill NC

Postby starleen2 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:12 am

sounds like you have some kind of Bot running in the background. hackers use this behind the scenes to "slave" computers to do their work.Sometimes they load into your sysyem without even knowing it by visiting websites. It downloads stuff onto your hard drive until they can retrieve it later. If at all possible run malwareantivirus (free) to detect it - if not the a fresh reload of the OS may be necessary
User avatar
starleen2
5th Teardrop Club
 
Posts: 16272
Images: 224
Joined: Sat May 12, 2007 8:26 pm
Location: Pea Ridge ,AR

Postby Mightydog » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:13 pm

Before you reinstall, try to take a step back in time.

In the lower left corner, go to <Start> and open.

Go to <Help And Support> and open.

Under Pick A Task, open <Undo changes to your computer with System Restore>

That will open a window named <System Restore>

Pick a time prior to when you think the problem cropped up. The down side will be that any documents or downloads that you have put on your hard drive since that point in the past will disappear. You could take those documents and put them on a jump drive to save them.

This has worked for me a few times in the past.
Mightydog
1000 Club
1000 Club
 
Posts: 1220
Images: 0
Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:21 pm
Top

Postby Dusty82 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:27 pm

Ditto what Starleen said. I would, however, only wipe the hard drive and reinstall Windows and your software suite as a last resort. You WILL lose EVERYTHING on your hard drive when you do that.

System Restore can work, but some nasties can create their own restore points and reload themselves after you've restored your computer. I'm not knocking that method - it does work - just know that it doesn't work all the time.

I've discovered that when dealing with viruses/Trojans/bots/malware no single anti-virus/anti-malware program catches everything. With DW working tech support for a major internet service provider for the last 2 years, I’ve been able to confirm that. Now I use a combination of programs to scan my computer.

A quick-and-easy/down-and-dirty way to check to see if you have some sort of nasty running in the background is to do an msinfo32 check.

In Windows XP, Vista, or Windows 7, click START, then RUN. In the RUN window, type msinfo32 and click OK - the System Information window will open. In the left side pane, click the plus sign next to Components, then the plus sign next to Network. Click PROTOCOL. In the pane to the right, you'll see a lot of info in what's called the Name Field. All you're concerned with here is the word NAME. Scroll down the list and count how many times you see the word NAME. If that number is more than 18, you have a virus, Trojan, or some other form of malware running in the background. Less than 18 is fine - I currently have 14.

That done, just click the X in the top right corner to close the System Info window.

As I said above, I use a combination of programs to scan my system. All of them are free. Please know that I’m in no way affiliated with any software company, and have no interest in any of these products. These are just the products I use on our computers.

Malwarebytes (Free Version): http://www.malwarebytes.org/

Avast Free Antivirus: http://www.avast.com/free-antivirus-download

Spybot Search and Destroy: http://www.safer-networking.org/en/home/index.html

RemoveIT Pro (Free Version): http://www.incodesolutions.com/removeit.php

Avast is my normal anti-virus program that runs all the time - I don't like Norton or MacAfee, but that's just my opinion.

Having so little room on your hard drive, you’ll most likely be able to install only one of the above at first. The first one I’d go for is Malwarebytes. It does a great job of seeking out and getting rid of the nasties on your system and seems to find more of them on the initial scan than the others.

Ok, this is just me talking here, so anyone with more knowledge or experience, please do correct me if I’m wrong. If it were me, I’d download and install the free version of Malwarebytes. Open the program and click the UPDATE tab, then click CHECK FOR UPDATES. Download any updates it finds. That installs the most recent virus definitions into the program. Once that’s done, restart your computer in Safe Mode. (On most Windows based computers, you can do that by restarting your computer. After Windows closes and the monitor goes black, press and hold the F5 key. A screen will come up asking you how you want to start Windows. Select Safe Mode and press ENTER.)

Do not go into Safe Mode with Networking – you don’t want to go online (or allow the virus to go online in the background) at this point.

When the system is running and you have a larger version of your desktop on the screen, open Malwarebytes. For your first scan, click Perform a Quick Scan, then click the SCAN button. A quick scan searches the most common places viruses and other nasties install themselves. Let the scan run (it takes about 5-6 minutes, depending on how big a hard drive you have) and follow any prompts that pop up. When the scan is complete, click VIEW RESULTS. A scan log will open up in Notepad – just minimize that for now. Make sure there’s a checkmark in the box next to any nasties named in the scan results, and click REMOVE SELECTED. The program will quarantine those files it sees as infected. You can then bring that scan log back up to see exactly what the program did. You’ll then need to restart your computer normally – Malwarebytes may prompt you to do so if it needs to.

That should fix some of the problems. It’s rare to have just one infection. Usually by the time you notice a problem, you already have multiple infections. I’d recommend a full system scan with Malwarebytes after the Quick Scan, but know going in that it can take quite a while to scan your entire system. I normally run an entire system scan overnight while I’m asleep. I just follow the directions above, clicking Perform Full Scan instead of Perform Quick Scan, then click the SCAN button, shut off the monitor, then go to bed. I deal with the scan results the next morning.

I run a monthly full system scan in Safe Mode with each of the above programs the same way. The rest of my scans are run with Windows running normally.

The only program I listed above that needs a bit of warning is RemoveIT Pro. I’ve noticed that it doesn’t play well with other anti-virus/anti-malware programs. It’ll throw up false positive infection reports and cause other errors, so I install it when I need it, then remove it when I’m done with it.

The two most important things to remember no matter what anti-virus products you have is to keep them updated and USE THEM. I like Avast because it automatically updates as soon as I turn the system on, then again several times a day. I have it set up to run a complete system scan every Tuesday night at 2am. I highly recommend doing something similar. Update your anti-virus software and scan your system at least once a week. Heck, update it on Sunday night before bed and run the scan while you're asleep.

I’m in no way an expert on viruses, Trojans, or malware. I’m 100% positive that there are others on this board who know a LOT more than I do. This is just what I do to get rid of nasties on my system(s). If I’m wrong about anything at all, PLEASE correct me!
TV: 2004 Jeep Liberty Sport

Currently stuck in a tent.
User avatar
Dusty82
The 300 Club
 
Posts: 313
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:15 pm
Location: Southern Oregon
Top

Postby Hillmann » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:34 pm

One thing to do would be to see if you have a more than one hard drive. I had a similar problem until I found out the the C drive is meant for running programs and is only 13 GB and a Separate D drive that is meant for saving files that is 500 GB and then had to move lots of files and everything is now working like it is supposed to. Yet for some reason when I use the auto save or download it automatically saves on the C then I have to move it to the D

To check go to
Start
My Computer

And see what it says under "Hard Disk Drives"

If you hover over them with your mouse for a few seconds it will tell you how big they are and how much free space you have. It is also possible that you have a virtual D drive on your C drive which would be about the same thing.

All this is assuming the computer is fairly new, say less then 3 or four years old.
Hillmann
Teardrop Master
 
Posts: 212
Joined: Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:41 pm
Location: Wisconsin
Top

Postby parnold » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:06 pm

http://forums.techguy.org/virus-other-malware-removal/976018-hard-drive-mysteriously-filling-up.html

I started typing into Google "hard drive mysteriously filling up" by the time I got to the first s in mysteriously it filled in the blanks. Seems pretty common. Above is a site I have referred to before.

Good luck!! I've had issues that can be solved in 15 minutes, and issues that were never resolved without a complete wipe of the hard drive. I'm not familiar with what you have, so I only offer a site I know to be pretty point on in their analysis.
User avatar
parnold
Donating Member
 
Posts: 2344
Images: 302
Joined: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:49 pm
Location: Northwest New Jersey
Top

Postby parnold » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:07 pm

Sheesh.. i just looked at above post on the link I offered more thoroughly.. no one has offered any help yet. Sorry.. usually a good site.
User avatar
parnold
Donating Member
 
Posts: 2344
Images: 302
Joined: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:49 pm
Location: Northwest New Jersey
Top

Postby rebapuck » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:50 pm

I've spent most of today sitting at the computer trying to figure this out. Please know that most of what I'm hearing is Greek to me. I said I had deleted temporary files repeatedly. Unfortunately, I only knew about the temp files under Internet options. Finally, I found a temp file under C:\WINDOWS and deleted everything in it. Defragged and Disk Cleaned.

I now have about 10GB of space. My capacity is 52GB. Is 10GB of free space reasonable for someone who doesn't download much, does no work. has no games but Freecell, no videos or music, and only about 75 pictures?
Judy
1966 VW camper
1967 VW singlecab
Image
User avatar
rebapuck
.
 
Posts: 2243
Images: 1
Joined: Thu May 14, 2009 1:55 pm
Location: Chapel Hill NC
Top

Postby rebapuck » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:53 pm

Also, while watching something or other scanning files, I caught "Mozzilla" and "Turbo Tax 2007". Both of those programs were uninstalled months ago. How can they still be scanned? Where do uninstalled programs go but to the Recycle Bin where they are deleted. Are they really "recycled"?
Judy
1966 VW camper
1967 VW singlecab
Image
User avatar
rebapuck
.
 
Posts: 2243
Images: 1
Joined: Thu May 14, 2009 1:55 pm
Location: Chapel Hill NC
Top

Postby rebapuck » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:59 pm

Dusty82...I have 15 NAME.
Judy
1966 VW camper
1967 VW singlecab
Image
User avatar
rebapuck
.
 
Posts: 2243
Images: 1
Joined: Thu May 14, 2009 1:55 pm
Location: Chapel Hill NC
Top

Postby Mightydog » Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:10 pm

rebapuck wrote:I've spent most of today sitting at the computer trying to figure this out.


The phrase is Time Vampire.

I love this link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk4C6a3b ... re=related
The language is salty so turn down the speakers if the kids are in the room.
Mightydog
1000 Club
1000 Club
 
Posts: 1220
Images: 0
Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:21 pm
Top

Postby Dusty82 » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:11 pm

rebapuck wrote:Dusty82...I have 15 NAME.


Yep - you're fine. That means no spyware or malware is running in the background. You may or may not still have a virus or trojan, but nothing is actively running. If you keep your anti-virus program updated and do a full system scan on a regular basis, you should be fine.

Something I do before I do a Defrag is run the Disk Cleanup Utility.

Go to START, ALL PROGRAMS, ACCESSORIES, SYSTEM TOOLS, DISK CLEANUP. The utility will ask you which disk to analyze. Select the C drive and click OK.

The utility will scan for certain file types and give you suggestions as to what it can clean up. Just check and uncheck the files you want to eliminate from your system, but be careful with COMPRESS OLD FILES. That option compresses files you don't use often (and you don't have a choice on which file it compresses.) The problem is that if you go to use one of those files, Windows now has to decompress it before it can load the file, which really slows the computer down. Personally, I leave that box unchecked. If you're not sure about a file type it's suggesting you eliminate, uncheck the box. Once you've checked or unchecked each box, click OK and the utility will clear those files. After that, I Defrag.

You asked about files remaining on the computer after you've deleted the program, like Mozilla and TurboTax. When you remove a program, just about all of the program is deleted. Some files aren't deleted because they're being used to delete the program in question. If you were to go to the Mozilla folder on your C drive, for example, you'll most likely find the Mozilla Uninstall EXE file, and a couple of files that are records of your Mozilla settings (history, favorites, and such.) Those files are used by Mozilla, should you reinstall it, to recover that info. The uninstall program is still there because a program can't delete itself, and the uninstall program was running when you uninstalled Mozilla. If you're absolutely certain you've uninstalled Mozilla, you can delete the entire Mozilla folder. BUT! Only do so if you're 100% certain you've uninstalled it. If Mozilla is still installed on your system and you delete the folder, you're going to get a barrage of error messages, and it could effect other programs.

The best bet is to just ignore these folders. Empty folders and old uninstall programs don't take up much space.

According to what you said, you have roughly 20%, give or take, of your hard drive free. Utilities like Defrag and such need at least 10% of your hard drive free to operate. So here too, you're fine.

If you do start to get more pictures, music, video or other such files, I'd recommend getting an external hard drive that you can store them on. You can plug in and use an external hard drive as you wish to use it, and unplug it when you don't want to use it. It won't effect the amount of storage you have on your C drive.

I'd also recommend subscribing to one of the online back-up services you see/hear advertised like Mozy or Carbonite. They're cheap insurance (about $50 a year) should something happen to your hard drive. They automatically save an encrypted copy of your entire hard drive in their storage system. That way when your hard drive fails/crashes/gets damaged so badly that you have to replace it (and ALL hard drives will eventually do one of those things - ask me how I know that,) you have a copy of everything stored somewhere other than your computer.
TV: 2004 Jeep Liberty Sport

Currently stuck in a tent.
User avatar
Dusty82
The 300 Club
 
Posts: 313
Joined: Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:15 pm
Location: Southern Oregon
Top

Postby Jazzy Lynn » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:22 am

Ccleaner is another good, free program that helps to keep your system clean. It also uninstalls programs, wipes free space and fixes registry issues. http://www.piriform.com/
Barbara
Today is forever!
User avatar
Jazzy Lynn
Teardrop Master
 
Posts: 254
Images: 57
Joined: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:20 pm
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico
Top

Postby rebapuck » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:32 am

Thanks for all the replies. I seem to have settled on 9GB of space. Whew!

One more question. I do get alot of emails. I send them to the delete file, then delete the delete file. But nothing goes ( immediately) to the Recycle Bin. Where do they go? How can I clear them out out out.
Judy
1966 VW camper
1967 VW singlecab
Image
User avatar
rebapuck
.
 
Posts: 2243
Images: 1
Joined: Thu May 14, 2009 1:55 pm
Location: Chapel Hill NC
Top

Postby parnold » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:35 am

That depends on what email program you are using. they are all different
User avatar
parnold
Donating Member
 
Posts: 2344
Images: 302
Joined: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:49 pm
Location: Northwest New Jersey
Top

Next

Return to Off Topic

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest