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Postby wlooper89 » Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:16 pm

Hi All,

I am new to trailering and this is my first post to this group. I would like to add some electrical wiring and components and probably also a battery & converter to my new Little Guy teardrop. I am wondering about the best place to put a battery box and converter/charger. My guess is the platform at the front of the trailer. But I am not sure how to get the wires inside the trailer, not wanting to make a lots of holes in the walls or floor unnecessarily. At present the Little Guy electric is only from the tow vehicle and just for 12V tail, running lights, brake and turn signals. The interior reading lights run on AA batteries. Not too good if we want to do a lot of reading. Another thing on our wishlist is to install an AV center consisting of a flat screen TV and DVD player. Also a place to plug in the laptop and electric blanket when shore power is available. The galley in the back does not need muich in the way of electric for now. We will use a portable propane tank with a Coleman stove. Maybe just a place to plug in the coffee maker when we have shore power.

Does anyone have ideas on this or perhaps a link to a web resource. My experience with trailer electrical is pretty much only from occasionally renting a U-Haul cargo trailer. In other words almost none. :)

Many thanks and best regards,

Bill
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Postby Miriam C. » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:49 pm

Bill you are in the best place I know to find electrical stuff. I would read the sticky at the top.
http://www.tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?t=11272

Then go through the pages. There is an amazing amount of information and most people do it slightly different.

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Postby Kens » Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:08 am

I would start with a battery box on the tongue. Best I think is to run the wires under the floor. Just my 2c
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Postby wlooper89 » Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:14 pm

Many thanks for this information. The url you sent is very helpful. Bill

[quote="Miriam C."]Bill you are in the best place I know to find electrical stuff. I would read the sticky at the top.
[url]http://tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?t=11272[/url]

Then go through the pages. There is an amazing amount of information and most people do it slightly different.

Good time for an education. :thumbsup:[/quote]
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Postby wlooper89 » Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:20 pm

Hi Kens,

Appreciate your advice. Good to keep the batteries outside the sleeping area. Your tear is beautiful. I found a trailer tongue box that should look good with my Little Guy. The metal stone guard on the front of the tear has a similar pattern. The box is by Delta Industries and a picture is in the link below. It should hold the battery, converter and inverter and maybe some other stuff as well. If I add an inlet on the side of the box it might be a good place to plug in shore power. I am still wondering what a "paddle handle" is, in the product description.

It might not be good to mix batteries with ignition sources in the same box. Anyone have thoughts on this? The tongue box is 4.5 cubic feet and I plan to use an Optima deep cycle battery, probably in its own box inside the larger one.

Many thanks! Bill

PS The trailer is supposed to be delivered Saturday. I know this is not the same as building one, but the wife and I are very excited.

http://www.deltastorage.com/configurato ... oductid=43


[quote="Kens"]I would start with a battery box on the tongue. Best I think is to run the wires under the floor. Just my 2c[/quote]
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Postby DaveandDebbie » Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:24 pm

wlooper89 wrote:Hi Kens,

Appreciate your advice. Good to keep the batteries outside the sleeping area. Your tear is beautiful. I found a trailer tongue box that should look good with my Little Guy. The metal stone guard on the front of the tear has a similar pattern. The box is by Delta Industries and a picture is in the link below. It should hold the battery, converter and inverter and maybe some other stuff as well. If I add an inlet on the side of the box it might be a good place to plug in shore power. I am still wondering what a "paddle handle" is, in the product description.

It might not be good to mix batteries with ignition sources in the same box. Anyone have thoughts on this? The tongue box is 4.5 cubic feet and I plan to use an Optima deep cycle battery, probably in its own box inside the larger one.

Many thanks! Bill

PS The trailer is supposed to be delivered Saturday. I know this is not the same as building one, but the wife and I are very excited.

http://www.deltastorage.com/configurato ... oductid=43


Kens wrote:I would start with a battery box on the tongue. Best I think is to run the wires under the floor. Just my 2c


Wlooper89 Hello and welcome you are in the wright place a lot of
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Question what model did you buy?
Did you get the spare?
If so do you plan to extend the tongue to install the box?
I have the Lil Guy Deluxe and have been wanting to do the same thing
except the tongue is just to short I don't see any way around it with my Lil Guy Just my 2 cents worth Dave
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Postby wlooper89 » Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:28 pm

Hello Dave, my Little Guy is the 6 Wide Platform model. I think the smaller Delta keystone box will fit on the 16 1/2" deep platform since the front of the trailer is squared off there. I do have a spare tire which fits in front of the platform. I really like the rounded look of your tear. Wish I had gotten the 5 wide. That would be plenty big.

I was told that when Little Guy adds the 120V package for use with shore power they put a recepticle in the back on the side. I am not sure exactly where, but in the galley area. This would run AC things and if you wanted you could add a converter, probably put it in a cabinet above the galley to run 12V lights and other 12V items. This might be one way to get around not having room for a box on the tongue. I am not sure where a battery might go if one wants to add that. I would prefer not to have a battery inside the tear, but we usually camp where there is shore power and in that case the battery would not be needed.

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[quote="DaveandDebbie"][quote="wlooper89"]Hi Kens,

Appreciate your advice. Good to keep the batteries outside the sleeping area. Your tear is beautiful. I found a trailer tongue box that should look good with my Little Guy. The metal stone guard on the front of the tear has a similar pattern. The box is by Delta Industries and a picture is in the link below. It should hold the battery, converter and inverter and maybe some other stuff as well. If I add an inlet on the side of the box it might be a good place to plug in shore power. I am still wondering what a "paddle handle" is, in the product description.

It might not be good to mix batteries with ignition sources in the same box. Anyone have thoughts on this? The tongue box is 4.5 cubic feet and I plan to use an Optima deep cycle battery, probably in its own box inside the larger one.

Many thanks! Bill

PS The trailer is supposed to be delivered Saturday. I know this is not the same as building one, but the wife and I are very excited.

http://www.deltastorage.com/configurato ... oductid=43


[quote="Kens"]I would start with a battery box on the tongue. Best I think is to run the wires under the floor. Just my 2c[/quote][/quote]

Wlooper89 Hello and welcome you are in the wright place a lot of
knowledge in this forum
Question what model did you buy?
Did you get the spare?
If so do you plan to extend the tongue to install the box?
I have the Lil Guy Deluxe and have been wanting to do the same thing
except the tongue is just to short I don't see any way around it with my Lil Guy Just my 2 cents worth Dave[/quote]
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Postby wlooper89 » Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:29 pm

I am still new to this and at present I want to limit making holes in the trailer as much as possible. From the box on the tongue I would make one hole and hopefully caulk it up really good, then run everything inside the tear. I think one can get very small molding to cover wires in the corner between the wall and the floor and between a wall and another wall. I saw some of these at Lowes. Basically very small with a hollow area in back that might cover a wire. Another type might cover a wire that traverses a flat wall. Small nails would secure the molding through the carpet to the plywood wall. Bill :)

[quote="wlooper89"]Hello Dave, my Little Guy is the 6 Wide Platform model. I think the smaller Delta keystone box will fit on the 16 1/2" deep platform since the front of the trailer it is squared off there. I do have a spare tire which fits in front of the platform. I really like the rounded look of your tear. Wish I had gotten the 5 wide. That would be plenty big.

I was told that when Little Guy adds the 120V package for use with shore power they put a recepticle in the back on the side. I am not sure exactly where, but in the galley area. This would run AC things and if you wanted you could add a converter, probably put it in a cabinet above the galley to run 12V lights and other 12V items. This might be one way to get around not having room for a box on the tongue. I am not sure where a battery might go if one wants to add that. I would prefer not to have a battery inside the tear, but we usually camp where there is shore power and in that case the battery would not be needed.

Bill


[quote="DaveandDebbie"][quote="wlooper89"]Hi Kens,

Appreciate your advice. Good to keep the batteries outside the sleeping area. Your tear is beautiful. I found a trailer tongue box that should look good with my Little Guy. The metal stone guard on the front of the tear has a similar pattern. The box is by Delta Industries and a picture is in the link below. It should hold the battery, converter and inverter and maybe some other stuff as well. If I add an inlet on the side of the box it might be a good place to plug in shore power. I am still wondering what a "paddle handle" is, in the product description.

It might not be good to mix batteries with ignition sources in the same box. Anyone have thoughts on this? The tongue box is 4.5 cubic feet and I plan to use an Optima deep cycle battery, probably in its own box inside the larger one.

Many thanks! Bill

PS The trailer is supposed to be delivered Saturday. I know this is not the same as building one, but the wife and I are very excited.

http://www.deltastorage.com/configurato ... oductid=43


[quote="Kens"]I would start with a battery box on the tongue. Best I think is to run the wires under the floor. Just my 2c[/quote][/quote]

Wlooper89 Hello and welcome you are in the wright place a lot of
knowledge in this forum
Question what model did you buy?
Did you get the spare?
If so do you plan to extend the tongue to install the box?
I have the Lil Guy Deluxe and have been wanting to do the same thing
except the tongue is just to short I don't see any way around it with my Lil Guy Just my 2 cents worth Dave[/quote][/quote]
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Postby RKH » Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:01 pm

When I started running wires inside my Little Guy, I found there is a space in the edge where the wall meets floor that will hold wir3e quite nicely. The interior carpet has enough loose at the edge to cover.
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Postby wlooper89 » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:49 pm

Thanks very much for that idea. I was thinking about running the wires along where the walls meet the floor, possibly using a bit of molding to cover the wires. But if the carpet will cover that is even better.

For now I have a battery tender/charger left over from motorcycle days and maybe later will add a converter to run 12V things from shore power.

I have seen one TV DVD combo that mounts under cabinets. The screen folds down so that when folded up the unit only takes up about 3 inches of space below the cabinet. The one I saw had a 10" screen. Would like to find one like that with a 13" screen.

Many thanks for the idea. Any other suggestions you have for me would be very much appreciated. The tear was delivered just a few days ago. My wife and I will try it out for the first time this weekend on a short overnight trip. Our cat does not know it yet but she will become a camping kitty, sharing with us a screen room tent that fits to one side of the tear.

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[quote="RKH"]When I started running wires inside my Little Guy, I found there is a space in the edge where the wall meets floor that will hold wir3e quite nicely. The interior carpet has enough loose at the edge to cover.[/quote]
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Postby caseydog » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:07 pm

wlooper89 wrote:Hello Dave, my Little Guy is the 6 Wide Platform model. I think the smaller Delta keystone box will fit on the 16 1/2" deep platform since the front of the trailer it is squared off there.


I just got a Little Guy 4-wide. I got the cargo model so I could customize the inside.

The Little Guy electrical connection with their kit is on the left side, near the botom in the rear. It's a good location for AC in. Of course, it is the oposite end from the platform.

If you have the front platform, you have a great place to mount a battery -- and a propane tank, if you choose. Of course, that takes away space for a storage box.

Anyway, I'm working on locating my battery, too. However, my humble 4-wide is not going to have anywhere near the luxuries you described. I will bring my laptop when I'm working race weekends, but the rest of the time, I'm looking to leave civilization behind in my TD.

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Postby wlooper89 » Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:05 pm

Smaller can be better. I am already regretting getting the 6 Wide Little Guy. A five wide would be easier to maneuver, put in the garage, etc. My more recent thinking is to go with 12V DC as much as possible inside the trailer. Using the 120V shore power with a converter, one can have 12V while recharging the battery. Then with more remote camping the battery will run things and can be recharged from the tow vehicle when on the road again.

I am going to skip the inverter for now and just do without 120V when there is no shore power. This site has a lot of 12V DC audio visual things:
http://www.allaudioexpo.com/nav/details ... &catid=164

Items at that site are primarily intended for a car or other vehicle, but I believe they can be adapted to a small trailer. If there is no sound system in the rv, then an amplifier and speakers would probably be needed with some of the AV products. This becomes rather involved.

12V DC reading lights are very high on our list of things to install. The other things can be put in gradually. For now a Coleman Retro rechargable lantern is our best reading light.

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Postby DaveandDebbie » Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:29 pm

wlooper89 wrote:Smaller can be better. I am already regretting getting the 6 Wide Little Guy. A five wide would be easier to maneuver, put in the garage, etc. My more recent thinking is to go with 12V DC as much as possible inside the trailer. Using the 120V shore power with a converter, one can have 12V while recharging the battery. Then with more remote camping the battery will run things and can be recharged from the tow vehicle when on the road again.

I am going to skip the inverter for now and just do without 120V when there is no shore power. This site has a lot of 12V DC audio visual things:
http://www.allaudioexpo.com/nav/details ... &catid=164

Items at that site are primarily intended for a car or other vehicle, but I believe they can be adapted to a small trailer. If there is no sound system in the rv, then an amplifier and speakers would probably be needed with some of the AV products. This becomes rather involved.

12V DC reading lights are very high on our list of things to install. The other things can be put in gradually. For now a Coleman Retro rechargable lantern is our best reading light.

Bill


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All of my audio and video is 12V automotive based equipment my flip down monitor is only 10" but inside a tear it is a monster I purchased a 12V DVD with built in tv tuner to power the monitor it turns out the DVD audio out put was not very good so I added a 12V car am fm cd sterio to act as a amp for a lack of better words all I needed was a fm modulator connected to the antenna tune the radio to the correct freq. WoW massive sound :woohoo: :D
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Postby wlooper89 » Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:26 pm

That seems a great idea. If a car radio in the little trailer can be the amplifier and an FM modulator will input the sound from DVD or TV tuner to the radio and speakers, this would be excellent. My wife likes to listen to talk radio so the addition of a radio receiver would be nice too. The radio weather reports are also a plus.

Thanks! Bill
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Postby wlooper89 » Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:53 pm

Hi all, just today found this unit online. I have not tried it yet but it sounds pretty good. Designed for a car, it contains DVD player, TV tuner and AM/FM radio. It outputs 50W per channel so the only other things we would need are the flip down monitor and a pair of speakers.

http://www.allaudioexpo.com/nav/details ... &catid=159

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