How to buy a cargo trailer?

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How to buy a cargo trailer?

Postby bookcrazzzy » Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:01 pm

My husband and I are planning to buy/order a cargo trailer before too long and I have been trying to figure out what we should get but I'm very confused. I have read through a lot of threads (amazing ideas!) but haven't been able to get a comprehensive understanding. I figured a thread on buying advice would be helpful to lots of people besides me so here it is!

What advice would you give to a new cargo trailer buyer?

For us, weight is one of the biggest factors so we're willing to pay the premium for aluminum. What sort of construction do we need to look for?

What options do you recommend? Which options are you best off getting from the dealer and which can you save money on by doing it yourself?

Any advice at all would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

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Postby b.bodemer » Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:33 pm

Margie,
Because I sold two trailers to buy my ct I wanted as many options as possible to be able to camp ASAP.

If your husband and you have the time then getting something very basic might be the way to go.
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Postby vtx1029 » Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:54 pm

My best advice is go and look at a lot of different trailers, look what materials they use and the quality of workmanship. Its easy after a while to tell between crappy and good trailers.

As for what to add to the trailer it all depends on you/your husbands skill set on what you can do. Some people are afraid and/or should never be allowed to wire anything, to some its another day in the park.

I would say if you want an RV door, steps, and big windows I would order the trailer with those items. Most people can't weld aluminum and cutting out frame members can cause more harm then good. (most of the time the price for the added items the MFG can install for about what it would cost for you just to purchase the item. Think free installation!) But the prices can vary a lot between different MFG's so shop around.

FYI I found most aluminum trailer MFG's only offer a 3 year warranty vs 5 years on a steel trailer.

I'm sure there are others but here are some of the trailer MFG's that offer aluminum trailers (not in any order)

Featherlight trailers
Triton trailers
Neo MFG
Nashcar trailers
United trailers
Stealth Trailers
Royal trailer OR MTI trailers (same company)
aluma trailers

bookcrazzzy wrote:What advice would you give to a new cargo trailer buyer?


It does help to know what size trailer your thinking of. A 8.5' x 24' trailer is a lot different then a 6'x12' trailer. What are your needs, what will you be using the trailer for...
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Postby bookcrazzzy » Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:24 pm

Thanks for the info!

As far as skills go, my dh is a master carpenter with tons of experience with all kinds of construction. He has a 2-story workshop that is bigger than our house! He can weld although I'm not sure about aluminum but he also has friends in all kinds of businesses including metal fabrication.

We expect to go with 7' wide and 14' - 20' long, depending on the design we come up with and which toys we include.

We'll be taking short trips in the next couple of years but after that, we'll take it for trips as long as a couple of months.

We want to go as light as possible so that we can take it wherever we want. Will pull with 2010 GMC Sierra 1500 4WD with 4.8L V8 and 4 spd automatic.

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Postby Kyle1911 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:39 am

Margie, I'm no expert, as I am only about 80% done with my first build. However, I did order some changes that I will never regret. 10,000lb axles, 7' ceiling height, 16" on center floor joists (Instead of 24"), two large escape windows, dovetail deleted (We wanted the last 2 feet at the rear of the trailer to be useable space, not just for loading vehicles) No insulation, as the factory uses fiberglass batting, and charges $400. We used 1" Isocyanurate, and saved $100. No electrical. I wanted a 50amp service, with 12v converter/charger. We added a second roof vent. Only advice on that is, if you are planning a bathroom, draw up your blueprints, and order the second roof vent over the bathroom. I had the factory install roof AC. I went back and forth on this one, and in the end, I'm glad I did. I think it added about $900 to the build. The unit can be had for $500 online, but the shipping is another $100, and the factory added 4 extra roof bows for bracing. A flat roof trailer would not be hard to add your own. Making radius braces that match the factory units wouldn't be a lot of fun. Things I would do different? Order one floor joist area at 24", and build in-floor storage for spare tire and jack. One more window, for our bedroom. I would skip the floor insulation. Cargomate uses a cardboard material for insulation under the floor, that is useless. My dealer, Olympic Trailer made it right, with a refund on the floor insulation. They are a stand-up company! It was a misunderstanding as to what "Insulation" was. I would go with the galvanized underbelly, pull the floor, add firring strips to the joists, and use foam board in the floor. Compare prices for an RV step installed, vs buying later. I got the straight axle option, for more ground clearance, and it's a long way down. If you are getting a V-nose trailer, get the extended tongue. It will leave you room for propane tanks, if you desire. Maxair vent covers. $35 online, if they want $50 each installed from factory, just do it. Unless you like laying on a easily dented roof, cussing in the sun to install them, it's a few bucks well spent. I am forgetting a lot of stuff, but hopefully that gives you a few ideas. When I get done with this thing, I will be posting a ton of pics in my thread "24' v-nose coming soon, to a thread near you". I intended to document this as I went, but my brain only runs on one track at a time, and the mad squirrel is focused on getting this thing done for summer! Good luck! Kyle
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Postby vtx1029 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:47 am

I will add when your dealing with v-nose or wedge front trailers make sure you understand how they are listing the length of the trailer. I found most V-noses are 18-36" and are not included in the length, but when they are a 4-5' wedge they include that length. In can be confusing so make sure you understand what your getting if you end up ordering one.

Some may object but if your loading toys there is noting easier then the drop down ramp instead of barn doors.

I agree with Kyle1911 get an extended tongue, 16 OC floor, do the insulation yourself.

Not sure they would really need 10,000 axles in an aluminum trailer. Our 8.5 x 23 only weighs 2500. 4500lb useful load is pretty big.

If you can swing it go for torsion axles and a equalizer hitch :thumbsup: http://www.equalizerhitch.com/
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Postby pete42 » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:35 pm

My wish list includes:
7X12 R&R aluminum trailer made in Michigan sold local, free shipping.
RV style entrance side door with window and screen
screen door
ramp rear door
4 screw down corner jacks
extended tongue
2 side windows low enought to sit and see out. 32X22
2 roof vents R&R welds braces around vents adding a AC later no problem
single or duel axel I don't care either way is fine.
electric brakes trailer stops trailer truck stops truck.
folding trailer step I don't like carring a plastic step to get in.
everything else I will try and build as I can
your husband would make one great trailer builder with his skills and your input you guys will end up with one sweet trailer.
now as far as the weight steel vs aluminum I don't know but I would bet there's not to much difference if any between the two.

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Postby vreihen » Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:32 pm

I saw an interesting thread last year in another forum about what to look for in an enclosed car hauler. Top on several people's lists was Dexter (brand) torsion axle(s). It is usually an available extra-price upgrade on the low-priced basic cargo trailers, and well worth the money according to those people due to how smoothly the trailer tows. My 24' Featherlite car hauler has them, and I tow it confidently with no sway control or weight distributing hitch behind my diesel Ram 2500.

Another feature that is sometimes an extra charge on cheaper trailers is a one-piece roof. Unless you like re-sealing the roof seams to prevent leaks, this is a necessary feature.

Featherlite trailers are all aluminum, and come from the factory with an 8-year limited structural warranty. You might want to read through his conversion thread, since he seemed to be happy with his trailer choice.....
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Postby wtcreaux » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:47 am

vreihen wrote:
You might want to read through his conversion thread, since he seemed to be happy with his trailer choice.....


Where might we find this thread??
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Postby vreihen » Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:29 pm

wtcreaux wrote:
Where might we find this thread??


A few posts below in this forum. Here's the direct link:

http://www.tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?t=25377

There are several pictures of his conversion on pages 10 and 11 in Prem's photo album, available via the red "Album" button at the bottom of his posts.....
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Postby bookcrazzzy » Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:28 am

Thanks again for the postings everyone. I spent some time yesterday going through all of the info I had saved from different threads over the past few months and put the advice about buying and features into an organized grouping. I wish I had noted who said what but I didn't, so I'll just ask a pardon. Anyway, for those who will find it helpful, here is the stuff I found:

Getting a good deal:

Ask the dealer for a "scrath and dent" trailer and a discount. I did. I covered 3 dings and a scratch with Featherlite bumper stickers. Make a low offer on the one that's been on the lot the longest and moved around the most, gaining dings and scratches...seriously.

To add to the discussion, here are some comments I had clipped from other threads. I wish I had clipped who posted them but I didn't so I'll just ask pardon from those folks.
General:
For instance, I would have rather purchased a Wells Cargo trailer, all things being equal, because they have the best reputation among cargo trailer people. But they are more expensive than most, and I was friends with a Pace-American dealer, so I bought a Pace-American. Other well-known brands include Interstate, Haulmark, CargoMate and Featherlite. And that's not to say that other brands and, frankly, no-name brands aren't equally as good. Trailers can be primarily steel-based, which are heavier, or primarily constructed of aluminum (Featherlite), which is lighter but much more expensive.
Within a brand, there's usually economy, standard and commercial-level build qualities. Economy trailers (P-A's Outback, Wells Cargo's TC Trecker, Haulmark's Light Cargo) usually have minimal features, flat roofs and light-duty components. The standard trailers (P-A's Journey model, Wells Cargo's Road Force, Haulmark's Transport) have upgrades like sturdier, rounded-top roofs and roof caps, better suspensions (torsion is usually better than spring axles, for instance.), thicker walls and floors, LED lights and upgraded tongue jacks. And of course the upper end trailers (P-A's CargoSport, Wells Cargo brand, Haulmark's Cub, Kodiak and Grizzly trailers) have more toys and goodies, plus more available options.
If you are ordering a cargo trailer to be used for both camping and cargo, some of the more useful factory-built options might be windows, insulation, RV-style side doors and electricity (AC ad DC). A 5'x8' and 5'x10' trailer may or may not have a side door standard; it can usually be added as an option. The 6' wide trailers usually come with a side door. Depending on your needs and wishes a pull-down ramp door in the back my be more useful than the standard swing-open rear doors.
Size:
also think of the overall length and weight your towing; the 6X10 is more like 14' with the tongue hitch, about 1300 new and 1700 lbs trimmed out.
5' wide trailers may pull easier because of their narrower profile on smaller or lighter tow vehicles (TV) like your Jeep. A 6' wide trailer has the big advantage that most people can sleep across the width of the trailer, which allows for more floor plan options. You also have to think about where you're going to keep the trailer when not using it. All other things being equal, and considering the ultimate weight of your built-out trailer, I don't think anyone ever regrets getting the biggest trailer they can afford. If you're willing to go 6 x 12, step into a 7 x 12 and compare the feel; consider the building possibilities. No extra length for getting into smaller camp spots.
I almost got a 7 x 12 or 7 x 14 but did not like the fact that those would be harder to see behind on the road. I don't like extension mirrors.
Steel frame/ribbed cargo trailers go up in weight fast as they get longer and wider. So called seven wides have tires that are the legal width (8 ft. 6 in.) for any vehicle on the road. Six wides have the tires at 8 ft. (This is why I like inboard wheels, not outboard, but no cargo trailers have them except the 8 wides.) Watch your weight. Go for the smallest trailer that just barely will meet your needs. You'll have buyer's remorse initially, and then you'll get in some tight places with it and will wish it was shorter and narrower.

I would suggest towing an empty cargo trailer (or two) around so you know what it will be like, pull it at highway speed. Give it a test drive, like buying a car. I didn't and it cost me a grand to learn this lesson. Be sure you know what it feels like and see if it will work for you. The weight you'll likely put in it won't be much of a factor except for braking. You might consider electric brakes, depending on your tow vehicle.

V-Nose:
Cargos vary with the v-nose models. When you get inside and feel the volume of a deep v-nose versus a flat-front, it's considerable. Then you measure the v-nose versus the flat-front from hitch to rear. The v-nose will be up to 12 inches longer overall because the tongue is built longer. (On shallow v-noses, this usually won't be true.)
V-noses have flat roof (only slightly rounded) that mate to aluminum structural trim, so they don't come with easily-broken, fiberglass, curved caps on the front. V-noses are usually (depending on brand) rated for their length on the length of their flat sides, not including the v.

All Aluminum vs. Steel:
I have a 7 x 12 (all aluminum). We have towed it with my son's 4 cylinder Toyota pickup just fine. My son's 6 x 10 (steel chassis and ribs/aluminum sides/heavy plywood walls), shallow v-nose is slightly heavier than my trailer.
When I tow my 12-foot Featherlite aluminum chassis trailer, I barely know it's behind my tow vehicle. It only weighs 1,250 pounds loaded.

Color:
White, gray, silver to stay cooler in summer

Axles:
When you go to dual axle, it adds about $800 to the price as well.

Frame:
One of the things that I considered when I bought my trailer was the construction of the frame (walls, ceiling, floor and chassis). A lot of companies can keep their price down by using hatpost framing in the walls and the ceiling. The shape is also used for steel fence post designs. Depending on what your application is going to be might dictate what type of framing you may want. I chose a square tubular construction because I plan on using my trailer for hauling stuff and for camping. I thought this might be a little stronger and it is easy to screw into with self tapping screws. Weight wasn't a big issue with me because I am planning on using my F150 to tow with.
I just ordered a Cargo Express Pro series cargo trailer. One of the big selling features for me was the construction of the frame (walls and roof crossmembers). They use steel square tube construction in the walls and roof. Weight for me isn't that big of an issue. Exterior is .030 aluminum as is the roofing too. I am not a big fan of galvanized steel. I have seen it rust over time. The v-nose models have a 1 piece roof so there is no seams on the rooftop. They overlap the roofing onto the side wall exteriors. I looked at the rounded roofs and they seemed to have a few seams. I researched alot of different manufacturers and this one seemed to fit my bill the best.

Roof:
Once piece construction is much better. Continuous aluminum roof is top of the line. When you wire it, drill the holes in the 1" steel tubing to accept rubber o-ring grommets or just silicon the holes when the wires are run thru them. Road vibration will eventually wear the insulation off the wires if you don't. (My Featherlite has silicon caulking even where the wires make a right turn on the ends. They are glued so they can't move.)


Stud Spacing:
24â€
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