6 x 12 V Nose 5 Man Conversion

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6 x 12 V Nose 5 Man Conversion

Postby BMosely » Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:15 pm

New to the forum and many thanks to those sharing their ideas to make the conversion program pretty painless on creating ideas.

I already owned a 6x12 V Horton Hauler so the hard decision was already made. We tent camp often but I needed a little more weather protection and somewhere to knock the chill off for winter camping. I put together a program that I wanted for an end result to start with and then just got on with it.

1. Has to sleep 2 adults and 3 kids. I see many posts for 2-3 people but could not find any 5 conversions.
2. Low side on the budget. It will be muddy boots, fishing and hunting gear.
3. Completely dry camp. No hook ups or facilities.
4. Excluding the "V" area, back to cargo trailer in 10 minutes.
5. 3 season, no summers.
6. Daytime heat source and sleeping heat source.
7. 12v DC power on lights and accessories.
8. 20 -30 gallons of potable water.
9. Sink, and portable shower. Maybe hot water in the future.
10. All cooking outside under an EZ Up which can have sides installed if the weather demands it.
11. Cross ventilation.
12. Portable toilet.
13. Limited seating as most will be outside in the EZ Up.
14. 1 week start to finish.

I had already moved the jack as I have a rear spare tire and the vertical jack was too tight. Pushed the spare tire outside and put the battery on the cross frame. I will add a propane (20#) tank holder on the wall above the spare. Horse trailer rack style.

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I insulated the walls and ceiling with 2 layers of 1/2" RMax and used HVAC cold weather foil tape to seal the seams and edges. No finish on the ceiling. If the board gets nicked, just taped it up.

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I insulated the floor and doors with ceramic insulating paint (Hytech) and porch enamel paint. There is lots of controversy about these paints but in my experience, they work and work well. At 31* outside temp and 68* inside the floor was very comfortable in bare feet where as before it felt like a freezer door blast furnace radiating up.

The RV door handles look more substantial, but for $10 I went with the screen door handle and it appears to be holding up well to the kids abuse.


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Put the RX cover over the roof vent for wet weather vent protection.

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The trailer already had some etrack so I raised it up and ran a second run lower. The upper bed is 5'9"x 75" and the lower bunks are 28" x 75". I used the 2x4 etrack brackets and just dropped the studs in. The upper bunk is split into two widths for handling and it could also be converted to rear bunk beds for only 2 people. With the etrack, I can move and flip to 10 or more sleeping configurations. I left the pass thru on the bottom so that I would not have to Superman into bed. Fine for the kids but not me. It also allows access to stored items under the bunks from inside.

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The mats are 4" open cell foam from the army navy store. I really did not want open cell, but the money was right and going to memory foam was 4X.

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12V switch panel and ground bus. There is room to expand if required.

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The shelf sizes were driven by the leftover cuts of wood from the bunks. A 36" counter and then high shelf. The sink now drains thru the floor and the bucket can go under the trailer for collection if needed.

I looked at pumps and tanks and for the money, an ATV spot sprayer from Northern Tool was the best value($150). 26 gallons with a 2.2 gpm, 70 psi pump @ 7.5 amps. A sink sprayer was added in place of the wand. There is enough slack in the power and supply lines to slide the tank to the door for filling or draining without disconnecting anything. This thing has plenty of power.

The Mr Buddy stores on top and sits on the floor for use. The shower folds into the corner.

The floor vent gives cross ventilation and make up air for the heater.

I put a cable pass thru in the corner for running electric heat at night off of a Honda EU 2000. Early tests show that I only need 500 watts(1750 btu) to hold 68* with 30* outside temps. The future may be the Empire direct vent propane wall heater that need no electricity(8000 btu)

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The shower is a 24" hot water heater drain pan that drains into the floor vent. A hula hoop on top and 1/4" pvc on the bottom give support and keep the curtain in the pan. The hoop just bungees up to the roof and then loop the sprayer in for a nice cold shower. There is enough hose to just stand outside also.

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The test run slept well with the kids and we will be hunting soon for a real application. Camp chairs will be used for seating inside for the time being.
It seems to have come together well and should be much more comfortable in freezing weather over the tent.
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Postby Goatdog » Tue Dec 20, 2011 5:51 pm

Looks great. Love the bunks and hoola hoop shower!
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Postby Arki » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:33 am

Hey guys new around here, been lurking for awhile now. Had a question about your rear top bunks. Think they'll hold a avg size guy? Say 225 or less. I'd think a simple 2x4 brace under the top bunks would greatly increase the load just wonder how you felt about the track. Been thinking hard about a simple design for a hunting trailer and for large fourwheeler rides we go on. This looks to be ideal.
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Postby BMosely » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:25 am

The etrack bracket said the load was dependant on the lumber used. So, the lumber and spacing would be the driver. Based on 2 x 4 span tables for 6' @ 16" with 40 lbs/SF loading you would be good to 1500#. I crawled up there and if you had 2 real close buddies @ 225#'s then you could all sleep up there :lol: it is way overbuilt for sleeping.
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Postby Wolfscout » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:00 am

I use the etrack for long ways. It gives me the size of a California King minus a tad on the length. OFten it's three of us on it with sleep gear.. blankets or bags. It is over built. And mine put together in mod fashion makes for a couch too. very cool.
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Postby Arki » Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:16 am

Thanks looks pretty slick. I guess I was thinking more about the side walls taking the weight than the brackets and 2xs. Nice simple little camper trailer you have there. :thumbsup:
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Postby BMosely » Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:30 am

Just back from our hunting trip and the trailer far exceeded my expectations. Having heat during the night and for morning dressing makes the camping very enjoyable.

I added a 20# propane tank rack on the side (tongue full) with the intention to use the radiant heater under the ez up and not have to dismount the tank. It traveled well and was perfect for warming the tent.

Everything installed worked as needed and very little tweaking will be needed. I washed my hair with the shower but i was not desperate enough to give it a go with low 30's in the morning.

The mornings were low 30's and it only took 600 watts on the heater to maintain the trailer temp. I got 7 hours on the EU2000 under that load. I will most likely add the extended tank for the next trip.

The day we set camp it was 20 mph winds with 30 mph gusts. I blocked with the trailer and put two sides up. Worked great.

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The tank rides there and I just pull the heater off.

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The view from the front porch.


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The reason for the trip; to get the kids into the woods. Congrats to my 8 year old on his first deer.

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Postby OverTheTopCargoTrailer » Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:18 pm

Oh man is that Bambi ?
With that gun and scope the kid should get a 12 point stag next time !!
How soon can you get him into the Seal team 6 ?

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Postby FatBoy BBQ » Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:29 am

Congrats to you and to your son. I got my first doe when I was about the same age. (9 I think)
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Re: 6 x 12 V Nose 5 Man Conversion

Postby BMosely » Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:48 pm

Adding a few items to the original build. It has been several years since I built this camper and the research paid off. I have not changed anything from the original build except now I am adding to the design.

I always cook outside and finally decided to just add a chuck box to the side vs. dragging the tables and chuck box in and out all of the time. The picture below is an 18" x 18" x48" under truck box from Tractor Supply. It holds everything for cooking ,plus, and the door folds down making a great cooking platform eliminating the need for a table. I had already added some exterior led lights and this makes it easier not needing to fire up a lantern.

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Also on the wish list was hot water. The ecotemp L5 is perfect. I mounted it outside and routed the lines under the trailer to hose bibs. I also added exterior hose bibbs for washing dishes and exterior washing as required. This is a great heater for the money. I now have hot water at the inside sink, outside sink, and can shower inside or outside. The pictures show the hose bibs and the storage location for the heater. I did not snap a shot mounted outside. As a side note, the L5 will not run off of a 1# propane cylinder. I do not carry enough water to justify 20#'s of propane, but there is not enough flow from the one pound bottle.

The hose bibs under the trailer aid in drain down for cold weather also.
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Re: 6 x 12 V Nose 5 Man Conversion

Postby Gonefishin » Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:52 pm

Nice additions for sure. I like your whole plumbing set-up, propane tank mount is convenient, and outside box looks perfect for outside cooking. :thumbsup:
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Re: 6 x 12 V Nose 5 Man Conversion

Postby professorkx » Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:04 pm

Looks like you have a portable tankless hot water system that you connect to the hot water side at the hose bib, is that correct?

I've been looking at these tankless systems and using a quick disconnect system like yours placed inside a pocket with a door much like an outside shower system. Would allow me to quickly attach the tankless system to fresh water and then back into the trailer for the faucet, but everything is hidden behind a small door. Does your tankless system do the job?
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Re: 6 x 12 V Nose 5 Man Conversion

Postby BMosely » Wed Nov 26, 2014 7:12 am

This heater is the Ecotemp L5. It gets the job done well. It has a volume and gas control. I keep the volume on low and the gas about 1/2 to 3/4 and it can be scalding. The hose Bibb that is in the picture is actually for the outside sink, dish washing station. The heater mounts right beside them and I have two bibs right under the trailer near the battery box. I have 6' washing machine hoses attached to the L5 and the gas regulator. I simply hang the unit outside, hook up the two hose ends to the underfloor bibs, connect the gas and you are off. I plumbed it this way so that I could still have cold water at both the indoor sink and outside hose Bibb if the heater was still stored away. It is just a matter of opening or closing valves. As stated before, I can also let the system down have high valves and low valves to drain. I will try and take a few more shots with the heater in position.
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Re: 6 x 12 V Nose 5 Man Conversion

Postby professorkx » Wed Nov 26, 2014 12:53 pm

BMosely wrote:I simply hang the unit outside, hook up the two hose ends to the underfloor bibs, connect the gas and you are off.


Excellent setup, just what I was planning. 8) One last question. I was concerned that if I hang the tankless system on the outside of the trailer, the exhaust would discolor the trailer skin. Any issues with that?

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Re: 6 x 12 V Nose 5 Man Conversion

Postby BMosely » Mon Dec 01, 2014 4:32 pm

I needed some use time to answer your question. There is no issue with aluminum discoloration.

Below are some additional pictures of the set up. Everything worked better than planned.
1. The remote tank for the EU2000 is perfect for a two night trip.
2. My dishes have never seen hot water before, so I think this is the first time that they are actually clean.
3. Having hot water makes you much more liberal with usage. The 26 gallons only went 48 hours and that was no showers; Ouch! It sure was nice to wash up with it 30* outside.
4. I added on to the den and the extra room keeps the kids away from underfoot.

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