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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby atahoekid » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:59 pm

GPW wrote: looking like another t-shirt and flip flop Christmas... :roll:


What???? :shock: :? Who's ever heard of such a thing???!!!??? :R :lol: Though most of our Christmases seem to be sunny, we've had a few true White Christmases since I moved hear about 15 years ago. It is frequently down in the mid 20's for night time temps and mid to upper 30's during the day. Personally, a bit of snow on the ground and in the trees is a nice sight this time of year. I just wish it weren't in the teens to single digits right now.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Fri Dec 06, 2013 1:18 pm

In '82 when I was in NZ my host family had our Xmas dinner down at the picnic table on the patio beside the pool!

In the southern hemisphere it is summer in December! I spent the month out by the pool getting a tan so that when I came back here in the dead of winter everyone would know that I had been somewhere!
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:40 am

Got about 5-1/2 hrs in today.

Started by taking a look at the polyurethane that I had applied last time. The panels looked pretty good for a second coat, but still have a bit of divots, almost orange peel like, so in addition to needing another coat on the other side, will need more.

The maple was all hit or miss. Some areas had drips and runs and a significant percentage of area had dry streaks and lack of coverage. Teaches me right for attempting to apply poly in poor light. On top of that, it still felt a little soft, okay to touch, but like if I were to try and scuff it, it would gum.

So all I did was gently scrape the runs, buff those areas slightly with a rag, and set it all aside. Loft never got above 52 deg F.

Moving on I dug the precut front shelf and cabinet floor panels out of inventory and started looking at the plans. On the rear cabinets I had to cut the panels down a bit to compensate for the decision to use the grooved ledgers instead of plain quarter round trim. However, at the front it looks like I must have already compensated for this. The plans had 1/16 inch float at both the front and rear of the panels, but in reality I have found that 1/16 inch total seems to be about right (if I allow too much there is enough flex in the face frame that the panel can slip out of the groove in the middle when I pull on the frame).

Here I am mocking up the key catcher shelf to see how much I would need to trim… or so I thought. If you look closely at the bottom right side of the pic you can see the mock up ledger piece bottomed on the groove and overlapping the cope in the side ledger by a strong 1/8 inch.
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Here’s another view showing the ledger mockup piece engaging the cope and how the panel is just barely engaging the groove.
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First thought was to shorten the side ledgers to compensate, but then all of the fitting, taping and scuffing on the side walls would be wasted and I would have to deal with shifting the screw holes for the front rails in the wall by, like, a screw hole diameter… not an easy thing …would mean drilling out the existing holes, gluing in dowels, and then hoping that the new screw locations don’t split the edges of the dowels… troublesome.

Then I realized that I still have some full length drops of the 5mm ply, so I will probably just cut new panels from those, but I will wait to get the ledgers and frames put back in place in the cabin so I can check the fit for sure before I use up more of the precious marine ply.

The upper front cabinet floor panel was checked in a similar fashion, and at first it looked like it was fitting pretty well (remember that the side ledgers on this have the extra notch for the side riblets).
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Then I realized that I didn’t have the front frame mockup piece seated all of the way and the result was actually much the same… panel not seating in the groove enough.
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Oh well, lesson learned. Should have checked this fit before nailing down the fit of the other parts.

So that was another dead end as far as making progress in front of poly, so what can I work on next that is inside the cabin and would be easier to do before the roof goes on? I need to make the light switch plates and wooden spacer trims. I thought about using Red Grandis for this, but after test staining a few scraps I decided that these really need to be maple to contrast with the Okoume ply and Red Chestnut stain.

While sorting that out I also figured out what I would need for Red Grandis to finish framing the galley hatch (basically the spar pieces at the top and bottom of the ribs).

Anyway, the piece of 1x4 maple that I had might be okay for the bottom spar on the hatch, so I cut 65 inches of that (64 finish length plus some for fudge) then ripped the drop down to 2-3/4 inch wide for the light switch spacers. Next I laid those out for the cut out sections in the middle and the radius corners.
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It was easier to handle and cut these by leaving them as one bigger piece. First I drilled the corners out and cut with the jigsaw (hadn’t used the jigsaw in a while and it didn’t seem to cut near as well as the last time I used it, maybe the thicker hard wood). It came out a little rough, but it will be hidden and it didn’t seem to be worth the time to make a router template, so I cleaned it up the best I could with a chisel.
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Next I cut them out on the miter saw and rough cut the corners on the band saw.
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Then I used the small oak block and hand sanded the corners to the line, removing all of the saw teeth lines. One down.
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The plate will be drilled for flat head screws that will pass thru the block and attach the plate and spacer to the switch cut out in the wall. The top edge of the spacer will also be rounded over with the same 1/4 inch bit that I have been using on all of the cabinetry with a 1/8 inch reveal.
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I’m contemplating recessing the stainless steel plate flush into the wood.

This also has me thinking about the dome lights. I had been planning to just screw them directly to the walls (into the recessed blocking), but now I think I will make matching spacer blocks out of maple as well. It will match the light switches and cabinets better, and will help with the contrast between the darker walls and the white bezel on the dome light fixtures.

Train kept a rollin’.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby GPW » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:44 pm

Not much warmer here KC ... 61F Inside my Studio ... Chilly ... :o

Nice “details" ... every little bit really adds to the eye appeal :thumbsup: 8) 8) 8) :D
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Wolffarmer » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:46 pm

It was -4 this morning here. Got clear up to +9.

And the heater in my well pit is not working. Washing everything I have to get warm water in there.

LOL

I just checked, 5:45 pm and it is now -1
Going to be a long night
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:57 pm

Thanks GPW. I think I enjoy designing and crafting the details as much as I enjoy building the bigger picture stuff. I have always been a casual observer and fan of Frank Lloyd Wright, and appreciate the idea that a good architectural design carries thru a project, so I am trying to carry the rounded maple and contrasting dark red chestnut themes. There will be a few stainless steel accents and some black edge trim, too.

Hey Randy, better light one or two of those 502’s and put them in the well pit. Frozen or burst pipes are no good. Keep warm my friend. It’s colder here now, but not single or negative digits.

Today it didn’t get above freezing out, the loft only got up to 43 deg F with the heaters, and Karl did not run the wood stove downstairs, so I only got 3 hrs in before my literally cold feet drove my out.

I set the router table up and rounded the corners over on the light switch plate spacers. Here I have hand sanded the first one with 220 grit.
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Here I have sanded the second spacer and show both with the street side switch plate.
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I had originally made the street side plate longer to suit the three switches on that side, and the curb side one shorter to suit the two switches on that side, but since I had made the recess cutouts and blocking in the walls the same on both sides, I will make another longer plate for the curb side and just mount two switches in it.

I decided to go with recessing the plates flush with the wood. I laid out, prick punched and drilled for the mounting screws in the plate. I just used these to screw the plate to the spacer for now, later I will counter sink the holes in the plate so that the flat head screws sit flush, drill out the wood with clearance holes and use longer screws to mount both together on the wall screwing into the wall blocking. Here I have temporarily screwed the plate to the block and scored around it with the utility knife.
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I considered making a router jig to trim out the recess, but for just a two off I thought it might be more work than just chiseling them out. I’d say I did okay (just), and it was fun to challenge myself with this task, but in the end I think it would have been about the same effort and would have come out more accurately if I had made the jig and used the router.
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Fitting the switches to the plate will be a whole other challenge. The mounting detail for the switch is complex with a mostly round hole but for the anti-rotation flats and keeper tab notches. Tiny little details that I will have to reproduce at least 8 times. That, the fact that the bezels on the switches are barely larger than the barrels, and that the keeper tabs are designed for much thinner sheet than I am using, all means that I am not looking forward to this step, much.

I have considered getting a quote to have the plates laser cut, or maybe I can get help from the machinists at work to write some CNC code and get them cut out with tiny little milling cutters.

A few more bites and the train kept a rollin'.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:17 pm

Picked up a short board of maple that was wide enough to get the dome light spacer trim pieces out of. It was 4 ft long, but had a split in the corner at one end, so only paid for 3-1/2 ft. I’m sure I’ll find something to do with the rest of it.

Here I have drawn out a couple of circles a little bigger than the dome light bezel (3 inch dia light + 1/8 inch reveal + 1/4 inch radius = 3-3/4 dia); cut the blank off short; drilled the centers out with a 1 inch spade bit (starting from both sides to minimize splintering); and started cutting them out on the vertical band saw.
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The large center hole will provide a pocket for the wire connections and a bit of slack.

Just cut wide of the line slightly.
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Hand sanded the edge up to the line to remove saw marks and make things nice and round.
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I’ll take the protective plastic film off of the lens later.

After sanding both spacers nice and true I ran them around on the router table for the radius.
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Next I used the back plate from the dome light as a template; centered it with my calibrated eyeball; marked and predrilled the screw holes (just visible right and left of center hole). Turned the fixture 90 deg and made a second set of hole marks. These would be for the flat head screws that will secure the spacer to the cabin inside wall, so I decided to move the holes in toward the center a little to be sure that the countersinks would not show around the edge of the bezel.
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Once countersunk with the pilot drill I went back and drilled thru the countersunk holes again to size them for clearance with the screw shanks.
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Fixture w/o bezel being dry fit.
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All oiled up and ready for poly.
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…whenever I can make that happen… probably not until after the holidays. Cold nasty weather predicted thru the weekend.

Small details, 3 more hours making the train roll.

I made a new longer blank for the curb side light switch plate the other day, but it needs a little truing up before I can fit it to the trim block.

The main route home over the river was blocked by a truck rollover just on the other side of the bridge that I normally take. Had to go the long way around. :roll: Apparently the accident had closed the road since around 4, and would remain closed until after midnight.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby GPW » Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:23 am

Curly Maple light base... extremely Nice ... 8) :thumbsup: :D
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:01 am

Thank you GPW. The one piece does have a little curly look to it in the pic, but if you had asked me before I put the oil on I would have said that it was just select maple from the big box; nothing fancy. Well, I guess I have fancied it up a bit now, but most of the flat surface will be covered by the light fixture, so...

I think the big thing is it will tie the look into the theme, and will space the light out from the wall, so it might help with performance when there is a coat or towel hanging on the hook below it; get the light source out from the face of the wall a little bit.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby GPW » Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:48 am

Sure a NICE way to dress up a simple plastic light !!! 8)
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby atahoekid » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:39 pm

KCStudly wrote:Thank you GPW. The one piece does have a little curly look to it in the pic, but if you had asked me before I put the oil on I would have said that it was just select maple from the big box; nothing fancy. Well, I guess I have fancied it up a bit now, but most of the flat surface will be covered by the light fixture, so...

I think the big thing is it will tie the look into the theme, and will space the light out from the wall, and it might help with performance when there is a coat or towel hanging on the hook below it; get the light source out from the face of the wall a little bit.


Your big box carries maple???? Not around here they don't... Around here if you want hardwood from the big box stores you're getting red oak or poplar. I think I've used so much red oak, I'm tired of it. I guess it's a geography thing... I'm jealous. I love the detail work like the bezels. It's those little touches that will make it stand out!!! Well that and the fine workmanship..
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:54 pm

Actually, I have two (2) orange and one blue near me. The orange near work has red oak, maple, polar and, of course, pine. The one between my house and Mecca (as well as between work and Mecca) does not carry the maple, just the oak and poplar (...and pine). The blue is a little further along out of the way from work, so I haven't done much business there, never really looked at their wood (cough, cough... ahem :frightened: :lol: ).
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Wolffarmer » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:48 pm

I get my my domestic hardwoods from a mom and pop outfit ab out 5 miles from me. It is a whole lot cheaper than the box stores by about 1/2. Import hardwoods I found a place in Boise that has a wonderful selection and he lets you rumage through the racks of wood. Just don't make to big of a mess or kill yourself or someone else. Now if I had some money to get wood. Well I did but in the form of pellets for heating.

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:13 pm

Wolffarmer wrote:...pellets for heating.

Good thing, too. You've been getting the short end of the thermometer lately.

I could probably try harder to use the "local" hardware stores, but the ones that sell lumber are not at all mom and pop, and their hours and locations are less convenient (the blight of mom and pop business). My cedar came from a local builders center. Not sure if it was a bargain, but they had it, and it was top quality (no regrets).

Tonight I ran some holiday errands and did not make it out to Mecca. Part of my excuse is that it was in the 20's today... brrr.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Wolffarmer » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:43 pm

The mom and pop I go to ya knock on the front door of their house and they let you in the shop to get the wood. Unless they are on a trip.

Ya, it has been cold. Monday morning it was -18ish at my place. The bosses wife said it was -21 on her car thermometer. I think the last time it has been above freezing here was Dec 2. Not much snow at all which is good as my tires are lacking in the tread department. Had a few unexpected expenses come up and might not get new tires until after the snow leaves. I can drive my pickup but I really do not like driving it. But if I have to. Don't worry I have made it through a mess of winters on worn tires before. And that was with a 2 wheel drive. At least now I have 4 bald tires spinning. :lol: :lol:

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