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...Any ideas on how to mount a turn shelf. I want one that will turn out. I plan to make the shelf out of 1x8s with a 1x1 frame around the top How would I attach in one corner some type of hinge? I want to be able to stand at the back of the TD and twist out the shelf and put a brace under it . the mounting will go through 3/8 OSB and 3/4 pine plank. I am not an artist but see if you can understand this:




Mary C.

Not sure if I understood the drawing, but if you want to pull out the shelf, then turn it to the side, then you might be able to do what I did with my "extend and turn" generator mount.

(from 10-5-13, thread link: http://www.tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=57594&hilit=+generator+slide) It slides straight out about a foot, then rotates counter-clockwise so the exhaust faces the curbside (and exhausts 6" beyond the sidewall). A tubular steel brace fits under the slide out, and supports the weight while running/vibrating. The three drawer slides have the combined weight rating of 105lbs (the genny and swivel base weigh about 65lbs), and if the genny is only pulled out 8", the brace is not needed. I ran it for an hour in my garage, and the brace remained rock-solid throughout (the genny is rubber-mounted on the wooden slide-swivel bases, to minimize hard vibrations). I will try to get some pictures of the set-up in action, this weekend. The swivel feature was necessitated by the 22" space I put it in; if I had the typical teardrop rear slope, there would have been enough room to just slide it in and out.

[KCStudly]

Mary, my concern is that unless you make it a turn out cabinet that has some depth to it, you are relying on a single point to support a cantilever in two directions. If it is a cabinet like Bob Henry has done, it would be supported at the top and bottom and the rigidity of the box would support itself. As a shelf or tray, you would need more support in two directions, not just a prop.

There are some fold out designs that have flip out gusset like props. Maybe someone can help us find a link to what I am referring to.

[GPW]

That is kinda’ asking a lot huh ? Maybe wouldn’t be so bad if it was a tiny shelf you could put your glasses on ...

[KCStudly]

For a DO, or a wash basin full of water, or a stove with a big ole pot of beans cooking on it, I think it is important for it to be good and sturdy.

[GPW]

I think we’d want that OUTSIDE ...

[KCStudly]

Oh. Did I miss something? I thought we were talking about a galley swing out shelf at the rear.

I want to be able to stand at the back of the TD and twist out the shelf

[GPW]

I thought she meant inside My bad

[Mary C]

Duh , since I can't draw and I dont have those fancy little drawing programs I thought I would use this piece of foam to sorta show what I want and please don't tell me it is too close to the foam, I have tried it and the foam didn't get warm. It is four to 5 inches from the foam. I will only use it in a hurry a cup of tea, or to have soup. Mostly I will only use it on the back when I don't have a picnic table when I camp I am not going to melt my TD. I took the best pictures I could.















I hope this makes sense. I used my finger to sorta show where the hinge goes. I just want it to swing out

Mary C.

[S. Heisley]

Mary, your pictures helped a lot.

In my opinion, you would be better off having it slide out, like a drawer, instead of having it attached in only one corner and swinging it out. It takes more space to swing than it does to pull straight out. Also, you can purchase drawer slides and supports that go under the shelf and pull-out so that the pull out is supported better. The old fashioned type is very inexpensive and easy, just a wooden center track piece and some plastic pieces that keep everything on track. However, I would put them together the opposite from the way a drawer is usually done, by putting the wooden track on the pull-out piece and the plastic pieces on the underlying shelf, sort of upside down from the regular way, because the underlying shelf already has some supports but the pull out piece doesn't. If you wanted to support the pull-out on both sides, use two wooden tracks instead of one.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Prime-Line-2 ... &ci_sku=10

You could even embed the parts into the foam.

...Just an idea.

[GPW]

Er, Mary ... seems like a good idea on paper , but the application seems "complicated” ... that shelf is useless with out an outer leg for support (just sayin’) , and you have to provide/carry that along too ... and like the Hobbit door, no way to hinge it without reinforcing the whole wall ... Thinking of multitasking, maybe a shelf(a board) , unattached , and placed it on top of something else you carry anyway ... Like some plastic milk crates... Those are wonderful for camping , store your stuff, stack em‘ for supporting other things ... like making a rudimentary table . And you could put that ”table” a little further away from the foam... or anywhere you wanted really ...
... sorry, I am of simple mind , so must camp/evac simply !!!

[Mary C]

Now I know that it is difficult to accept but I don't want a slide out shelf I know some would love it but I really want a turn out shelf. I want it to turn out because it will give me 5 inches and remember I am short and I will be able to stand in the middle and reach all my galley. It may not make a hoot to some but when you are short you 5 inches means I can reach things. I plan to put the same on the other side for the cooler. when they are both pulled out, I will have about 14 inches, I will be able to reach from the middle to the top If i have pull outs I would have only about 6 inches to move in. I just need a hinge idea but I think I have it, a little pipe on the outside of a bolt use metal strapping bent to secure the shelf. now to help slide? I will come up with something I could use grease but that is messy. and I have the legs all figured out, adjustable too.

Mary C.

[S. Heisley]

Okay, then, you probably will want either a pintle strap hinge:

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/62183 ... screw.html

Bolt the pin into some wood and use the strap side on your pivot-out piece, to give it more stability.

or a cabinet overlay pivot hinge. Some of these are pricey; but, this one isn't too expensive:

http://www.knobsandhardware.com/cabinet ... eCanonical

You can screw those to some wood support pieces.

Also, you might Google 'small gate hinges' although many of those will be too big.

...At the least, that should give you some starting points to what you're looking for, no grease needed.

[Mary C]

Thanks Sharon, I really know it is a quandary, I have to go right now but I will be back tonight maybe I can get the time to look on line.

Mary C.

[KCStudly]

I think both of those hinges are intended to work in pairs, especially that second one.

How about a swinging jib arrangement where the vertical support hides in the corner of the lower cabinet, and is narrow but puts the lower pivot farther away from the upper so that it can take the torque? Kind of like the configuration of this jib crane, only scaled appropriately.

I know that there are some good examples of swing out/fold up galley tables that have a fold out gusset to prop the table up, just need to find one to show. Off to look now.

[KCStudly]

Here's one example (not the one I had in mind): http://www.tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?p=652326#p652326

Here's the one I had in mind (pics 19 thru 32) http://s134.photobucket.com/user/ams-texas/slideshow/Galley%20Gallery/?albumview=slideshow

This arrangement stabilizes the cantilevered load by spreading the multiple anchor points (or in this case piano hinge) far apart for better triangulation.

It is easy to say that you will only ever put very light things on this shelf, but that doesn't mean that it will always happen that way. Once it is there you will find all kinds of uses for it and will set anything that will fit down on it. These things are far too easy for things to land on, so plan on it supporting whatever will fit on it, else wise one day it will end up in the dirt... snap!

As an aside, whenever I make a hanger are bracket at work I always over design it. Why? Because it doesn't just have to hold up the planned load, it has to hold up the guy who climbs it like a ladder, too! And you know me, I really do try not to overbuild. Here's a scenario: you go to open that jar of pickles and the lid is on tight so you push down hard on it on your little shelf to try and get a better grip. Will the single pivot hinge support part of your weight? To me it's a safety issue (I'm concerned for you Mary ). Anything that is going to support a stove should be sturdy and stable, and should stay that way for its entire lifetime.

I'll shut up now.