The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Ned B » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:41 pm

ok, where are you that you have all of those tablets and laptops side by side?
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby wagondude » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:14 pm

Just a guess, but he did say he was going to Best Buy.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:18 pm

Yup. It was Best Buy. Ended up with basically the newer version of what I had, Asus notebook running Windooze 8 instead of XP. Both keyboard and touch screen. Lots of changes to get used to. Will be very frustrating for a time, and with no instruction or tutorial I may never know if I am doing it "right". :? meh.

Managed to get win8 registered, got Kaspersky going, office suite up... explorer seems to be doing spell check automatically, so that is good.

Now to see if I can get pics off of the camera w/o much pain.

Did some actual real work on TPCE today, but will save that for the pics. :thumbsup:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:19 pm

Wolffarmer wrote:Try something with Ubuntu

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What's "Ubuntu"?
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Wolffarmer » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:22 pm

KCStudly wrote:
Wolffarmer wrote:Try something with Ubuntu

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What's "Ubuntu"?


It is a Linux distro. Ok, I am just trying to sound geeky. I have been running Ubuntu for almost a year now. It suits me. And it is cheap. Like free.

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby wagondude » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:50 pm

I googled ubuntu to check it out. Looks interesting. Have a couple of machines laying around that I may try it on. Would be nice to break the Windows habit. And the price is right.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:55 pm

Okay, now where the heck were we?

Let’s see. There was some talk about a lamb roast done on an open hearth.
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Spit is gravity powered by a weight compounded through antique wooden pulleys and the escapement; an 18th century English clock jack.
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Note the whirling propellers that create drag and help regulate the rate that the weight drops.

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Mom & Bill’s dining room.
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Note the rosemary sprigs tucked under the butcher’s twine.

There was also a chicken done on the gas grill rotisserie.
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Back to the build… er… work shop improvement; hanging plastic sheet to keep heat in through the cold New England winter.

Here I have measured and cut a piece of plastic to finish the ceiling and drape wall, starting to spread it out over the saw and layout table.
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Started to tack up and spread out, working along the first joist, then up the middle, before moving back out to the sides.
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After tacking off the next to last ceiling joist, I switched and tacked the drape wall to the inside face of the last joist so that the staples would be loaded in shear and not just pull out. Blue tape at the wall to ceiling joint (would have used standard duct tape if I had it on hand; the blue tape dosen’t have much stick, especially after the static cling of the plastic has picked up shop dust).
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Made a cut for the door; attached the big piece I had cut out from the big window to act as a flap overlapping the door; and then spent some time putting stuff back and reorganizing.
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And from the outside.
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Stopped at Wally World to get an electric heater for the loft and got a chance to get a couple of pics of this barrel vaulted homebuilt topper that I had seen around. Reminded me of the Foamstream and all of the aero talk that has been going on elsewhere on the forum.
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Here’s the heater that I picked up.
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Then I finally spent some time doing actual work on the camper. Sanded the high spots on the filler and misc glue spots on the underside of the floor.
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That brings us up to yesterday (Saturday). I wrapped the threads on the brass router collar with electrical tape to protect them, chucked it in the lathe and turned the end down just under the thickness of my template material.
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Used the deburring tool on the inside and a fine file on the outside to remove burrs (posed photos with lathe not running for safety).
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The template that I had previously made for most of the blocking was made size for size, so I had to open it up. The collar is 1/8 inch larger than the 1/2 inch bit (1/32 clearance + 1/32 thk collar per side), so I laid out lines 1/16 inch larger, used the back of my little hand saw as a straight edge, and sliced down through with a utility knife, then little clean up with the sanding block.
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The compass was just used as a sharp pencil, instead of the crude carpenter’s pencil. Note the little slivers of ply in the lower left. (I have been using the drop piece from the door window template as a “desk blotter” of sorts, a cutting mat, too, but the pictures showed up better against the white table top.)

Set the router collar up and set the depth just a hair deeper than my template thickness plus 3/4 inch (1x) stock.
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Time to do a test before touching tool to side wall. Countersunk a few holes into the template, used double side tape to stick the foam down to my blotter, clamped the blotter to the table, and hand screwed some drywall screws into the foam to secure the template.
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Zipped it out easily.
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Blue snow.
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Used the razor knife to trim the corners of the pocket, and test fit the block.
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Nice snug fit. Had to screw a couple of drywall screws into the wood in order to pull it back out again.

My small tape measure blew the retract spring, so I extracted the tape part, clamped it along the base line of the street side wall, and started laying out the location of (most) all of the inside wall blocking. The afternoon sun was nice, but made it difficult to get good photos.
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And here is the template installed and ready to make the first pocket.
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I decided that it would be much better to have a shop-vac running for dust collection before launching into all of these pockets, so decided to call it a night. Besides, I had an invite from Jeff for smoked duck at the grotto. I put the glue closer to the heater and set up a recording thermo-hygrometer over where I would like to store the glue. Karl said the morning temps had been about 40 deg F since I started the heater, and it was 61 in there by the time I left (although he was running the wood stove downstairs, which was surely contributing).
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Sorry, no pic’s of the duck, but it was delicious. Soy/teriyaki marinade, a nice smoke, peppers and onions sautéed in the drippings, broccoli and fresh ginger steamed/sautéed, and a nice dark beer.

Took today off and went to get a xmas tree.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby 225 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:57 am

Looks good. What are you doing for the outside?
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:54 pm

The plan has always been some type of glue or paint and canvas, then exterior latex paint. The Glidden Grabber seems to be the preferred stuff for canvas application right now. However, I have not done my own test sample yet, and after hearing GPW suggest that canvas and glue are much more susceptible to casual damage than I originally perceived ("The Girl" putting her finger prints into it), I must say that I am second guessing that choice at the moment.

The exteriors of my side walls currently aren't all that smooth, and the addition of the blocking is only going to make that worse, as far as fairness is concerned. I don't want to have to spend hours spackling, sanding and fairing to get a nice presentable surface that does not telegraph through the canvas, only to have it get dinged up by road debris and casual contact. I have tried all along to keep the quality of the fit and finish up, and I will be disappointed if it turns out to be a pig in a poke due to a "rough" exterior (rough as in crude and lumpy, not rough as in a nice flat even canvas texture muted down by a layer or two of paint).

I will test it for myself before making a final commitment, but one of the key design aspects that I want to retain is the nice big 3/4 inch radius at the side wall to roof/front/hatch joint, so flat sheets and hard trim are probably out. If I don't like the canvas upon firsthand inspection, I might have to bite the bullet and do epoxy/glass. Karl has lots of layup experience from his time making custom molded parts at Calloway, and I am sure he would guide me through the process.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby GPW » Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:44 pm

" after hearing GPW suggest that canvas and glue are much more susceptible to casual damage than I originally perceived ("The Girl" putting her finger prints into it), “ ... That is a little over exaggerated ... the fingerprints popped right back out and were invisible the next day ... and then again , mine is a very light Linen canvas ... used for Artist painting , not for tarps , coverings etc. It’s what I had for the test ... and was never intended to be dented by giant Amazon women ... (the girl) :frightened:
Since Time , expense and complexity went out the window a long time ago on your build ... I’d just Glass it !!! Your trailer has brave little to do with a simple Foamie trailer build ... :roll: Besides , you have the place/shop to do it ,the extra time , the tools to finish it , and the Money to invest ... Why not go ALL the way ... It’s the ONLY way you’ll, be Happy !!! ;)
Comparing your trailer to mine would be like comparing a large bowl of caviar to a raisin ... :R HUGE difference exists between the two ... :o

Ps. Mine was done for ~$650.00 all up ... i guess you spent that for sandpaper ... :oops: You see my Logic !!!
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:47 pm

Oh dear. GeeP (...my personal mental knick name for GPW) you sound a bit cautiously rankled. That was not my intent at all. You have been there and done that and I look to you constantly for your experience and insight. I can see the complements in your post, but am concerned that there is some resentment and sarcasm there, too.

All I was trying to do was to point out that I barely know what I am doing; am still drawing information from this great forum; and, yes, am trying to build to please myself. This is a process that I don't know what the outcome will be. I know what I want it to be. Hopefully there is a happy medium.

I was also trying to encourage all that are viewing to do their own testing to validate whatever method they choose, before committing their own time and money; however much that may be or mean to them (it is all relative).

Yes, I am horribly over invested in both time and money on this project. I have included budget information in the hopes that it would help others to understand and make better informed choices for themselves. I questioned this in the beginning, but the advice I got was that it would be helpful for others. That is how I do hobbies, at least in my head. I get involved, get excited and wish to do it all the way to the nines, but usually don't have the gumption or wherewithal to see it through. In this case I am motivated highly by the memory of my father, and frankly, because he lived such a simple and relatively frugal life, I do have the luxury of a "small cushion" that I would not have had if it were not for him (... I have worked hard for the rest of what I have). I am also trying to use the motivation that I have on this project to make somewhat of a life change, to motivate myself to be more active and see projects through. So by going "all in", I am really committed (...or should be committed! :? ).

So no hard feelings, please, and if I am totally off the mark, then please forgive me for misunderstanding your intent. :thumbsup:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby GPW » Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:39 am

Resentment , no , never :o .... sarcasm? .... well, that’s just my curmudgeonly nature ... ( old guy ) :lol:

Really , you’ve done a Most EXCELLENT job :thumbsup: .... why not make it the very Best you can ??? If our positions were reversed , I’d certainly glass it ...
You’ve taken this idea further than it was ever intended to go ... The original intent was for a cheap simple camper ... the Volks camper ... Yours is more like the Rolls Royce camper ... a real “Custom" job ... every aspect deserves the very finest attention ... Heck , I’d even be thinking of building a special garage for it ... ;)

Just FYI, the girl is 6’1” , a BIG girl (tall) , a wonderfully talented singer ... sang professionally for Cirque de Soliel in Vegas , and is a talented costumer now for the movies ... But being large (and surprisingly powerful ) , she’s very Clumsy , keeps bumping into things , tripping over things .... dangerous woman to have fall on you or your stuff :o ... and she has this propensity for ‘testing” things ... so was in her nature to poke at my trailer .... she did the very same thing to the raw foam blocks that we’re making her paddle board out of ... I tried to explain the foam is not very strong without the skin , but she just had to prove it to herself ... women ... grrrrr!!!! :roll:
Fortunately , my little foamie has survived very well living outside , and the various places where it’s been “tested” (poked and prodded ) have healed themselves .... Apparently the foam has a bit of memory , seemingly activated by heat ... a day in the Sun , dents gone ...

I’ve learned NOT to tell anybody about the Foam construction , then they Never have a reason to prod the surface , satisfied , in their minds , that it’s just another trailer ... ... People are strange huh ??? :R
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:55 pm

Okay, those points of clarification have me feeling less worried about the canvas job. Thanks. And for the record, I much prefer raisins to stinky old fish eggs. ;) :lol:

Spent some time on the wiring diagram this evening and will throw a link here once I post over in the electrical section of the board.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby GPW » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:27 am

KC, Fish eggs ... Yuck !!! :R ... just thinking a really good HEAVY weight canvas would be better all around than a thin canvas ... Better protection against blondes ... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby RandyG » Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:37 pm

GPW wrote:KC, Fish eggs ... Yuck !!! :R ... just thinking a really good HEAVY weight canvas would be better all around than a thin canvas ... Better protection against blondes ... :lol: :lol: :lol:

You never said she was a blonde! Got a number? :FNP Just kiddin
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