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Postby Catherine+twins » Thu May 09, 2013 1:47 pm

Down in the Foamie forum we sometimes talk about using our campers to evacuate from nature's fury. On the Gulf Coast they are running from hurricanes, in the Midwest it might be from tornado damage, and in my neck of the (former) woods it is forest fires. Well, it's that season again, and my BFF and coworker Teri gave me a great idea. She and I both have Google Nexus tablets (I have the 7, she has the 10), and she mentioned that she is using her all-in-one printer/copier/scanner/fax at home to scan some legal documents, then is transferring them to her Nexus to carry with her to meetings. She always carries the tablet, but sometimes forgets paperwork, and besides, this keeps the thick file of papers safe at home instead of at risk of blowing away in our strong spring winds.

Aha!!! :thinking:

I'm going to scan essentials from my home owners and car insurance, my mortgage, maybe my phone contacts list (in case I lose my phone, or get it wet again), and load them on my tablet.

I have also signed up for Google Drive, some free space in their Cloud, although I haven't had a good reason to upload anything to it. Well, how about taking a video/photo inventory of my home, and puting that in the cloud? Then if somehow a fire jumped the 128,000 acre :( fire break we have around town and my house burned down, I could just download my inventory to what ever computer/tablet is available and make my claim. :)

How bad is it? It's early May and firework sales are already being banned for the 4th of July. Oh, well. Two years ago our firework "show" on the 4th was watching the smoldering fires on the mountainside west of our neighborhood. Our 8 day evacuation had been lifted the day before. Thirteen years ago we had already evacuated by now, driven out of town on May 6 by a "controlled burn" set by the Forest Service to prevent a major forest fire!!! :duh:

Oh, a final tip from my step-mom. When you have to evacuate in a hurry, grab the dirty laundry basket/bag. Unless you just washed, all of the clothes you (and your kids) wear are there!

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Re: Evacuation Campers

Postby aggie79 » Thu May 09, 2013 3:49 pm

I think your idea is very good.

We don't have tablets, but when we travel, especially for the few times when we get to travel overseas, we take thumb drives containing the all the documents you mention plus front and back scans of credit cards, health insurance cards, passports, drivers licenses, etc. I do encrypt the files on the thumb drives so that if we lose one, the information won't be readily available.
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Re: Evacuation Campers

Postby GuitarPhotog » Thu May 09, 2013 3:50 pm

Since I live in earthquake country, I have scanned my passport, drivers license, and credit cards and put those copies in a secure directory on my web server (located in Ma.). I can access them from any computer with a web browser from anywhere.

I don't bother with photos of my home inventory. My ins. agent says they are pretty useless for determining valuation unless you have specific valuable pieces, like jewelry, antiques, or cameras. In which case they should be documented with your ins. agent NOW, not when a catastrophe happens.

I would not trust a battery-operated device for any kind of "mission-critical" task. All it takes is an extended power outage, or more than a little water (think Katrina flooding) to make all our high-tech devices useless.

If you are preparing for a possible evacuation, I'd keep several days of food and water in the trailer at all times, and spend your time gathering irreplaceable family photos etc. instead of worrying about clothes. You can get by in the same set of clothes for a week or more, but you'll regret not grabbing the album of family photos.

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Re: Evacuation Campers

Postby lancew » Thu May 09, 2013 8:00 pm

techy downer here. I believe to much faith has been put into these high tech toys. Nothing important goes on my computer. anyone can get into them at anytime. no matter how good your firewall, server is. take pics, videos pass them onto your insurance agent. make a list of how much the valuables are worth. dollar wise not sentimental. passports, insurance cards, credit cards all of these items have a phone number to go with. lot of mumbo jumbo for things you can accomplish with common sense.
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Re: Evacuation Campers

Postby mezmo » Thu May 09, 2013 11:52 pm

Home Owner's insurance Slow. It covers the house and contents.
If you do not have details of what you lost, if the policy covers it, you
aren't able to get your proper reimbursement without the details or proof
that they need. It's to your benefit to have this info available if you
ever need to file an insurance claim. And your agent is your first
interface with the insurance company.
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Re: Evacuation Campers

Postby Bogo » Fri May 10, 2013 2:23 am

Catherine+twins wrote:Oh, a final tip from my step-mom. When you have to evacuate in a hurry, grab the dirty laundry basket/bag. Unless you just washed, all of the clothes you (and your kids) wear are there!
:lol: So true, and generally you have a full sets in there. ;)

I have a Pelican case that I can very quickly grab and go, but it is second after throwing the spare gas cans and tools in the back of the truck. The Pelican case has everything I need for a 3 to 4 day trip except food. I keep it packed for going to science fiction conventions. It has an empty spot on the top where I can toss my laptop and a couple backup hard disks I normally take to conventions. It would also work as an emergency case. I have extra t-shirts, underwear and socks in it that I use for padding various things. Yeah, no dedicated padding, just repurposed clothing and towels as padding.

The second Pelican case to grab is the camera case with all my camera gear in it.

The third Pelican case I'd grab has some fancier clothes I rarely wear packed in it as padding around some backup computer gear, on site backup hard disks and some lesser used camera gear. I also put some extra sets of underwear and socks in it.

Next would be the everyday coats and bad weather wear.

Next would be to grab a couple spare tubs and grab all the food and supplies on a couple shelves in the pantry. I deliberately arranged my pantry to have all the easily prepared on a camp stove food in one area. There is also soaps, paper plates, plastic ware and other likely needed items on those shelves. I try to keep enough there for a month or two. These shelves also have copies of books like "Putting Food By".

Then I move the truck to the back door and grab the camping and hiking gear. It is all packed into various tubs and bags for a quick grab and pack into a vehicle. I also grab the emergency water in it's jerry cans.

Next are the ice chests, ice (1/2 gallon water jugs frozen), and selected food from the refrigerators and freezers. Refrigerated and frozen foods are less durable so they are lower priority.

Next are the electronics tools and fire safe contents.

If I have time I'd grab my desktop computer. I have a case that I can quickly put it into. Next would be to throw the bicycle on top of the load and pack the paniers for it.

After that I would grab select keepsakes and throw them into various spare tubs. Again packing them in spare towels and clothing. At this point I'm going through things to select what I want to keep, etc.. Around now the bed of the pickup is getting close to being filled with one layer deep of cases and tubs.

Final steps for evacuation are to prep the house and farm for an extended absence.

The most important thing is to have a plan that is simple, efficient, and quick to implement. Possibly write it up, but plan it out and have everybody memorize it. For my packing up I'd first grab the pickup, spare gas and tools from the barn. Then move it to the main entry door, and load a bunch of stuff from upstairs. Then I'd move it to the basement door, and start loading stuff out from it. When finished packing up I should have 800 to 1000 miles of fuel, and a month or two of food with the means to prepare it in the back of the pickup. I grab the tools for my own emergency use, and I can also use them for work. Same goes for the camera gear, I'm a very good photographer. The electronics tools are handy in that I understand house and vehicle wiring and more complex electronics and could easily do it for work. I also can program and administer computers and did that before going into farming. Part of my disaster planning is how to keep income, and thus food, coming in in the long term. All the stuff on my list should all be able to be loaded up in 20 to 30 minutes. It sounds like allot to load up in that time, but most of it is already packed up or in small localized areas and easy to pack up quickly.
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Re: Evacuation Campers

Postby jstrubberg » Fri May 10, 2013 8:20 am

lancew wrote:techy downer here. I believe to much faith has been put into these high tech toys. Nothing important goes on my computer. anyone can get into them at anytime. no matter how good your firewall, server is. take pics, videos pass them onto your insurance agent. make a list of how much the valuables are worth. dollar wise not sentimental. passports, insurance cards, credit cards all of these items have a phone number to go with. lot of mumbo jumbo for things you can accomplish with common sense.



Absolutely, 100% not true.


Take videos and scans, put them on your Google drive. If you're really nervous, make a copy to a $20 thumb drive and rent a safe deposit box.
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Re: Evacuation Campers

Postby lancew » Fri May 10, 2013 11:02 am

jstrubberg wrote:
lancew wrote:techy downer here. I believe to much faith has been put into these high tech toys. Nothing important goes on my computer. anyone can get into them at anytime. no matter how good your firewall, server is. take pics, videos pass them onto your insurance agent. make a list of how much the valuables are worth. dollar wise not sentimental. passports, insurance cards, credit cards all of these items have a phone number to go with. lot of mumbo jumbo for things you can accomplish with common sense.



Absolutely, 100% not true.


Take videos and scans, put them on your Google drive. If you're really nervous, make a copy to a $20 thumb drive and rent a safe deposit box.






yes it 100% true. its true you don't have to put everything on computer or thumb drive. aint a chance in hell im giving anything to GOOGLE.
if your loyal to the techy world so be it. people made tech world so convenient that common sense and practical has gone out the window.
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Re: Evacuation Campers

Postby GerryS » Fri May 10, 2013 11:41 am

Google is evil. Simple truth.

I don't trust thumb drives either. First, they do fail. Second, they do fail. Paper only fails with extreme heat or wet...
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Re: Evacuation Campers

Postby spbiknut » Fri May 10, 2013 11:46 am

lancew wrote:
jstrubberg wrote:
lancew wrote:techy downer here. I believe to much faith has been put into these high tech toys. Nothing important goes on my computer. anyone can get into them at anytime. no matter how good your firewall, server is. take pics, videos pass them onto your insurance agent. make a list of how much the valuables are worth. dollar wise not sentimental. passports, insurance cards, credit cards all of these items have a phone number to go with. lot of mumbo jumbo for things you can accomplish with common sense.



Absolutely, 100% not true.


Take videos and scans, put them on your Google drive. If you're really nervous, make a copy to a $20 thumb drive and rent a safe deposit box.






yes it 100% true. its true you don't have to put everything on computer or thumb drive. aint a chance in hell im giving anything to GOOGLE.
if your loyal to the techy world so be it. people made tech world so convenient that common sense and practical has gone out the window.


I'm a IT Manager for a firm in FL. I've done just about every job in technology that you can think of including being a security specialist. I can tell you from experience that documents can be secured electronically better than physically. But there is a way of thinking that makes this works. If you put your documents on a thumb drive and leave the thumb drive laying around and such than yeah...I would say that's not secure. Mobile devices can be encrypted and secured....the level of security and encryption depends on you. Also the idea behind having these files electronically is so that they are readily available in case of emergency, so I say that storing them on some kind of web server is a bad idea. Most of those services are very good and vigilant about protecting your data, but if you think about a disaster situation you will find that there may not be an internet connection within miles of your location for you to access those docs. My recommendation would be a blended approach...kind of thinking is to not put all your eggs in one basket. I have a laptop that I use for storing my documents, entertainment and reading. The laptop is encrypted with a 15 character password that I have to enter before it will even boot up. I also have a web server that is strictly for file storage only. I keep my data in both locations. Now the risk assessment you must do is to ask yourself "Who would want my data?", "Why they want my data?" , "What will they do to get my data?" Keep in mind that 99% of crooks don't care about your data unless an opportunity presents itself...like you leaving your cell phone somewhere or your keys laying around. They are after the big score. Am I worried about someone hacking my laptop or my web site? No...I don't access unknown, open or public networks with my laptop, therefore my risk is very low for this. My website is private with two layer security and encryption. There is nothing public about it so very low risk there as well. And risk is what it all boils down to...manage that and there is no reason to worry about the security of your data. I'm sure opinions will very and I'm not here to prove anyone wrong. I'm just here to offer my opinion with my 15 years of experience in the matter.

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Re: Evacuation Campers

Postby eamarquardt » Fri May 10, 2013 2:58 pm

If it's important back it up on several drives. I've run USB flash(?) drives through the washer and dryer and they still worked!

If you want a computer secure, don't connect it to the internet. Maybe not 1000000000% but I imagine someone would have to be very diligent to get to things on a computer that never gets connected to the internet.

Re: escape from disaster. Here in So.Cal. we have fires and earthquakes. Both are pretty localized. If you drive 30 miles away from the "disaster" things are pretty normal and you can buy or obtain virtually anything you need or desire.

So, why overly worry.

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Re: Evacuation Campers

Postby Catherine+twins » Fri May 10, 2013 8:54 pm

I'm with Gus. If I evacuate it will be to big town Santa Fe (NM), and any insurance agent will have the computer gear to download my stuff. A forest fire will not precipitate TEOTWAWKI (the end of the world as we know it). Computers will still work for me.

My premise is that you EVACUATE. That indicates that you go some place OTHER than where the disaster is. Sure, you won't be able to access computer files if you hunker down and stay right in the middle of the disaster. That wasn't the scenario I was talking about. The last time we evacuated to Santa Fe, insurance agents were set up in hotel parking lots all around town, and once they had your basics they were cutting checks on the spot to cover hotel rooms and food.

Our county just went on stage 1 fire restrictions, no fires in the county parks, even in fire rings or grills, no smoking except on pavement or in your car. (Of course, the way I see people complying with the smoking restrictions, is to sit in the car with the windows down and the cigarette hanging out the window dropping ashes, and then the butt gets flung into the dry grass at the side of the paved parking area. :duh: Propane and white gas stoves are still okay. All state parks are under the same restrictions, and about a quarter of the national parks. Parks in the south eastern part of the state are closed, full stop. We're expecting that here, too, by the end of the month.

The rainy season used to start mid-July, but we haven't had a decent rainy season in more than three years.

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Re: Evacuation Campers

Postby Bogo » Fri May 10, 2013 10:33 pm

eamarquardt wrote:Re: escape from disaster. Here in So.Cal. we have fires and earthquakes. Both are pretty localized. If you drive 30 miles away from the "disaster" things are pretty normal and you can buy or obtain virtually anything you need or desire.

So, why overly worry.

Here in the midwest, tornadoes and severe thunderstorms are the main worry most years. Not much to do about either, except to have yourself and your supplies under ground where they can't be scattered to the 4 winds. For some odd reason my camping equipment, and pantry are in the basement. Even then chances are the grocery store 4 miles away is still fine. For a field fire, I'll likely have some time to bug out so I came up with a bug out plan. Part of that plan is to till a fire break around the farmstead and water all the lawn area inside that I can't till. My buildings have tin roofs and siding. I'm far enough from the fault lines in the Mississippi valley I won't have to worry much about earthquakes. I will feel a bit of ground vibration, but that will be it. In case of the extreme remote likelihood that Yellowstone blew it's top, all that fuel I keep on hand for the generator will come in handy getting me away from here and out of the ash fall zone, but it isn't the reason I have it. Multi day power outages happen every few years. Last week my power was out for almost two days due to the wet slushy snow that came down. If my farmstead flooded, then it was something like an 12" per hour rain storm a week or more long, I'm on a ridge line. That's less likely than Yellowstone blowing it's top. Yeah, power outages are my biggest worry. I have a generator, and a few days of fuel for it on hand. I should get a diesel generator and then I'd have weeks of fuel for it. I have a big diesel tank for refuelling the tractors.
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Re: Evacuation Campers

Postby Shadow Catcher » Sat May 11, 2013 6:53 am

Living in the mid west, tornado's are the big concern followed by flooding. The former leaves not enough time to flee and the later later, well where we are was planed off by the last set of glaciers and flooding will cover a LOT of area. When the New Madrid fault lets loose it will, in this area some of the high rise building in Toledo will suffer damage but frame building should not.
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Re: Evacuation Campers

Postby mombear » Sat May 11, 2013 10:49 am

I have a multi-level plan. I keep a computer that for the most part doesn't go on the internet, and when it does it is for e-mail and updates. Then I have everything scanned on to a external hard drive, A SD card and then the actual paper files. the SD card is with me all the time I keep it in my wallet, and yes I have it encrypted. We had a fire 20 years ago and if it hadn't been for the video we sent to my mom on what the house looked like, and with it all decorated. The insurance wouldn't of believed us that we had over 300 VHS tapes and records, back then that was a lot of money. Nor would they of believed that the girls had 300 stuffed animals and 45 Barbies. Now think the average price of a stuffed animal at $10 and Barbie at $6 that adds up to a lot of $$$. We didn't replace the kids toys with the money, we bought them all computers. So every year I walk around the house and film it and keep it on my SD card as well and remember if you have a hobby like photography (I do) you should take great pictures of everything. What you bought 20 years ago for $300 to replace it today might cost you $800, I know cause one of my children dropped my manual nikon 105 mm lens and broke it, insurance replaced it WHEN I found one for $800 and I can say it is not in the same condition as mine was but close, the lesson is keep records of your stuff!! a inventory is very helpful.
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