Help: Plywood top separating from side?

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Help: Plywood top separating from side?

Postby Martinjmpr » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:15 pm

Well, we've had some good long trips with Bubbles this year, but after coming back from our last camping trip, I was alarmed to notice what appeared to be the top curved plywood piece pulling away from the side. This is below the hatch on the left side. Here's are some pictures:

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So my question is, what do I do to keep this from spreading? I can't really clamp this, so what I'm thinking of doing is injecting some glue in there, and then using some small, skinny nails to tap it back into place. Does that seem like a good idea? I would use screws except I'd be afraid that screws wouldn't "bite" as well into the 3/4" plywood of the sides since it would be going in between the plys.

Also, what kind of glue should I use?

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Help: Plywood top separating from side?

Postby grantstew8 » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:14 am

If you use an external pva (D3) something like titebond III may just do what you want.
I'm not a fibreglass expert however it looks like a layer of glass and epoxy may another option.

This is the what I'm planning on doing on my TD's roof/wall connection and having read other threads, it need to round over the edges a little.
http://www.tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=56065 link to the thread with a photo of what to expect.
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Re: Help: Plywood top separating from side?

Postby Kody » Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:49 am

This is a reply I posted not many days ago about waterproofing this critical and sensitive area. For me, this is the only way to fix a situation like you describe. It is easy to do the second time but the first time will not be very difficult to do at all. The hard part is keeping the bias cut glass remaining at the width you want. It will very easily stretch out and become rather narrow. Take your time with it, there's no rush and mix the resins in a wide flat container like an ice cream container. To stop the resin from setting up too fast, don't have it in a cup shape container. By spreading out the resin in as thin a layer as possible the working time of the resin is very greatly increased. I had some in a coffee cup one day and it went hard in 10 minutes liberating so much heat the cup melted. Before the resin sets, wash the brush in white vinegar and also your hands when finished. The vinegar destroys and removes the gooey resin in seconds.
Check this out:-

"I have mentioned this before (a very long time ago) but I will offer a gentle reminder of how to fiberglass the corners.
I have never used F/G tape more than once to seal an external or internal corner, it was a disaster. The doubled fibers on the outer edges of the tape leave a horrid ridge that has to be sanded and faired back to the original surface. Not fun by any stretch of the imagination. Secondly, only half of the threads are holding the panels together. The threads that run lengthwise offer no strength at all to the joint or edge. A much better way is to cut a strip of cloth, 4 or 5 inches wide from a roll and cut the strip on the bias. That is, cut the strip at a 45 degree angle across the width of the roll. When this is now applied to the corner, both threads of the glass cover the overlap at 45 degrees. This offers vastly superior strength and is very easy to get the F/G to bend over the outside corner and stay where you want it while the resin is curing. Don't forget to apply a sealing coat of resin before placing the F/G strip on the seam/joint. The sealing coat must be fully cured so you can place the strip easily. You can use two coats to seal the wood as this is where the edges of the strip are sanded down to flair into the panel/s with a minimum of fuss. This method is by far the very best to use for interior corners as well. The glass will push fully into the corners without springing out. The edges of the external corner should be sanded or routed to form a 1/8" or 5/32" radius before applying the glass. This makes laying the F/G around the corner "a piece of cake". If you want a square corner, an extra strip of glass can be applied to build up the edge and then sanded back as needed. If you want/need more than one layer of glass, cut the first strip 4" wide and the second strip 6" wide. This will flare into the panel much better with a minimum of sanding to finish it. This is how I will be building the sides, roof and inside joints of my TD."

A search through my posts will reveal more info for you. However, if you would like more info, contact me via this forum or send me an email. Glassing is not something to be scared of doing, it is quite easy. All you need is confidence and believe in yourself.

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Re: Help: Plywood top separating from side?

Postby 48Rob » Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:09 pm

I'm with Kody on this one.

The original fastening method has failed.
The only way to make it right again is tear it apart and redo it, or make a long lasting repair.

The pieces need to be mechanically connected, as the glue has failed (for whatever reason) it would be silly to try to inject glue or sealer and hope it doesn't come apart again. Since the original seal is broken, it is no longer water tight.
Since it cannot be made water tight, as is, I would pre drill, and install screws, then seal it up as suggested.

I would also look very closely at the rest of the surfaces, and make sure all wood is "encapsulated".
It may look well sealed, but it only takes a small area that wasn't sealed quite enough to allow moisture to intrude, which is followed by major damage...

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