OverTheTopCargoTrailer 7 x 16

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Re: OverTheTopCargoTrailer 7 x 16

Postby OverTheTopCargoTrailer » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:11 pm

MtnDon

This is just a single 12 volt battery

Trojan12V 205 AH Battery J185P AC

http://www.thesolarbiz.com/Trojan-J185H-AC-12V-Battery-225-AH

One would be for my ARB FRIDGE 63 quarts & the other for interior / exterior lights & other stuff
But that way I could also switch them if one broke ? Or died.



Remember I'm gonna have 3 mini systems vs... I big mega system , also I can spread the
Battery weight around vs in just 1 location , I like flooded batteries more bang for the buck
Will see how it goes live & learn by experiment :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I will have 4 inverters , 3 x 300 Morningstar PSW , 1 magnum 1500 MSW
Also 3 CC's & 3 sets of batteries

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Re: OverTheTopCargoTrailer 7 x 16

Postby MtnDon » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:23 pm

OverTheTopCargoTrailer wrote:MtnDon

This is just a single 12 volt battery

Jerry



Never mind then! :D :lol: :lol:
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Re: OverTheTopCargoTrailer 7 x 16

Postby MtnDon » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:24 pm

You're going to need an instruction manual for the TT. :lol:
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Re: OverTheTopCargoTrailer 7 x 16

Postby OverTheTopCargoTrailer » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:41 am

Hi MtnDon

I need that already for my Alzsheimers , trailer is still pretty simple :D :D

Here is story about PG&E worry about loosing a few pennies on net metering from 91k of their 12 million customers.

http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_24182761/popular-solar-net-metering-policy-will-cost-california

and also ..same story different twist

http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/As-more-go-solar-grid-users-forced-to-pay-up-4847318.php

I gotta post some more picks, got more work done & bed installed.
But gotta work today :cry: :cry: to pay trailer bills

Here is a nice battery bank - I could use for my trailer :D :D

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Re: OverTheTopCargoTrailer 7 x 16

Postby MtnDon » Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:28 pm

I would not want to be in charge of keeping the electrolyte levels up. That is a lot of cells. :shock:
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Re: OverTheTopCargoTrailer 7 x 16

Postby OverTheTopCargoTrailer » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:08 pm

Piece of cake, its only about 500 batteries & they all have clear casing to see the water level ,
maybe the guy who does that used to work at making big Mac's and applied the catsup & mustard...

they should collect the gas to be sold :lol: :lol:
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Re: OverTheTopCargoTrailer 7 x 16

Postby MtnDon » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:22 pm

BTW, where is it?
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Re: OverTheTopCargoTrailer 7 x 16

Postby OverTheTopCargoTrailer » Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:24 pm

don't know, just saw the picture on the net & copied it...

did you notice the 2 center rows sit 6" higher so the water level can be viewed....
very nice & clean & professional set up however

I posted some of my pictures to my blog if you wanns see, don't have to reduce them like I need to do here :cry:


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Re: OverTheTopCargoTrailer 7 x 16

Postby OverTheTopCargoTrailer » Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:59 pm

Here get a free MRAP , great for off road & weekend SWATT excursions


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Re: OverTheTopCargoTrailer 7 x 16

Postby OverTheTopCargoTrailer » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:23 am

I keep hoping they will run out of $3 -$6 million dollar homes for Chinese buyers
And that they will work their way down to my hood :D :D
Afterall we only have 344,000 houses in the county and there are billions of Chinese


http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_24192747/asian-buyers-scoop-up-bargain-million-dollar-bay
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Re: OverTheTopCargoTrailer 7 x 16

Postby lrrowe » Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:51 am

Hey Jerry,
Took you advice about Car Mate and stopped to see one (Custom Advantage) a Car Mate dealer in Harrisburg, PA. I liked what I saw. After reading your previous posts, I thought you ordered yours from Car Mate with wood uprights as an option. But the dealer tells me that they are standard.

So having wood in the vertical studs has me asking two questions about that. One, wouldn't the wood lend itself to being more prone to rot and mold as a result of moisture coming from internal wall panels then would if they were made from steel.? And question two, does not replacing the steel vertical uprights help with the thermal bridging problem; because wood conducts less heat/cold then steel?

During my travels for the next 2 weeks, if I do not see anything that catches my eye more then the Car Mate (in the same price range) then I will probably place my order for the Car Mate - probably a 6x14, 3500# single axle barn door, seamless side unit.

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Re: OverTheTopCargoTrailer 7 x 16

Postby MtnDon » Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:18 pm

lrrowe wrote: replacing the steel vertical uprights help with the thermal bridging problem; because wood conducts less heat/cold then steel?


Correct. In home construction steel wall studs have an r-value of almost zero; whereas wood has an R-value of approx 1.0 per inch. Another way to look at it is to compare the overall r-value of two walls, one with 2x6 wood studs and the other with 2x6 steel studs; both with R19 in between the studs. The wood framed wall comes out with an overall r of about 17 and the steel framed wall about r 10 at best, IIRC.


lrrowe wrote: wouldn't the wood lend itself to being more prone to rot and mold as a result of moisture coming from internal wall panels then would if they were made from steel


Yes wood can rot. However the steel or aluminum is so much colder inside the wall, that it will cause condensation for certain. The wood OTOH will not be so ready, so cold, to have condensation occur. The big issue, in my view, is the aluminum skin on the exterior. It is cold no matter what the framing is. That is where condensation can still occur. The only way to prevent that is to keep the water vapor in the interior air from reaching the aluminum skin; or to keep the aluminum skin temperature above the dew point. Those are all difficult to achieve.

Cooking outdoors as much as possible reduces interior moisture levels. An A/C helps remove air borne moisture. Keeping roof vents open as much as possible can help.

I think the best way to prevent moisture condensation in a wall like this is the use of spray closed cell foam insulation. It's applied directly to the inside face of the aluminum skin. That totally seals air from the aluminum skin. With wood framing fill the entire space level. Then go from there. The wood framing is also nice as it breaks the metal screw to metal stud heat flow path as well.

For a metal framed CT apply the spray foam as above. That would be followed with 1/2 plywood strips screwed to the metal studs with a 1/2 layer of rigid foam between the wood. Over all that another layer, 1/2 to a full 1inch of rigid foam. Then the interior panels are screwed to the wood strips avoiding contact with the metal studs. The wood strip could also be applied and then the spray foam used to fill to the face level of the wood strips.

Just some thoughts on what I believe the ideal might be. I'm drawing on residential construction for that. I love spray on foam.

The idea is to keep interior moisture from making its way from the inside through the wall to the aluminum skin. Using a vapor barrier on the inside, under the interior wall panels, is a very bad idea if anyone was thinking of using poly sheet plastic as a vapor barrier on the inside. That creates a double vapor barrier, the poly and the aluminum skin. Moisture will make it in there somehow, and have a wonderful place to incubate all sorts of nasties.


Buildings with exterior wall steel studs can get around the heat conduction through the steel framing with the application of rigid foam sheets on the exterior. We can't do that when converting a CT.
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Re: OverTheTopCargoTrailer 7 x 16

Postby OverTheTopCargoTrailer » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:45 pm

Hi Irrowe

On my model wood walls are standard, I had them install the plywood on the exterior vs interior. Also I have the screw less exterior which was a little extra charge. The wood really cuts down on the thermal bridging. If your worried you could spray a finish or sealer on the wood that should solve that problem. I have ZERO holes in my roof , well I take that back, I installed 4 small 3/8" holes for the solar wires & have special Marine clamps to keep the water out. All my holes are in the side walls. With my 3" foam - down to 40 deg - I won't need any heat to be comfy at 65 deg interior.

Wood also has the ability to absorb a certain amount of water, vs metal rusts pretty fast.

They have some models over 20 years old , should mine rot I'll be dead by then so no worries for me.
I have 6 x 120 mm fans & also will use dehumidifier - so by spring I will know more.

I would also look at the 5,200 torflex axel & never adjust dexter breaks.

If you wanna make a nice trailer and do 100,000 miles, then you can't beat CarMate


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Re: OverTheTopCargoTrailer 7 x 16

Postby OverTheTopCargoTrailer » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:56 pm

Damn MtnDon

You did all my work , i should have read your answer first :D :D

Thanks !!

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Re: OverTheTopCargoTrailer 7 x 16

Postby MtnDon » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:06 pm

I had them install the plywood on the exterior vs interior


Excellent!!
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