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Re: Professors 7x14 Toy Hauler

Postby desertrat222 » Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:01 pm

how about a boat fresh water tank there only 6-8" deep. if you put it just behind the axle it shouldn't drag.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RV-Boat-Storage-Tank-Fresh-Water-14-X-72-X-8-33-Gallon-Sensors-New-102-/111565725517?hash=item19f9d5df4d&vxp=mtr
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Re: Professors 7x14 Toy Hauler

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Re: Professors 7x14 Toy Hauler

Postby lrrowe » Wed Apr 29, 2015 6:15 pm

Personally, I like this concept. I considered it before for both fresh water and for gray water. But I put it way down on my list of things to work on as initially I will run a 10 gal tank in the front under the counter. You have renewd my interest for those times where I wanted to carry more water such as when remote camping. My plans were to carry the extra water in 5 gal. jugs stored in the back of the truck until needed. This idea, if used, would free up some space in the truck.

But you would need to either gravity drain the water or have a pump system to deliver the water to where needed.
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Re: water tank

Postby aztrooper » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:28 pm

professorkx wrote:OK, working on a water tank solution under the rear of the trailer floor so it's out of the way and the weight is at the rear of the trailer. I don't want to have a customer tank made using rotation molding technique, as this is just too costly. So, I have another idea and need thoughts:

I am thinking about using 4" pvc water pipe in 5 foot lengths. I can build a manifold at each end using T fittings and 90 degree fittings, and allow for a 1" fill fitting, small vent fitting and 1" drain. I think I have room for five lengths of 5" pvc that are connected to my manifolds on each end to use the space between supports fully. Each five foot length will provide about 3.3 gallons of volume, not counting the space in the manifolds, so 5 pieces will provide 16.5 gallons of water. I can also use 90 degree fittings and just pull from one corner, as this might allow me to put the pipe closer together. Yup, the idea needs to be refined, but that's the general concept.

Using 4 inch PCV means the water storage system will fit under my trailer with less than 1/2" exposed below the frame rails, so pretty protected.

Curious on getting thoughts on this approach...



Sounds like a lot of work to make when you can just purchase one of the RV tanks on Ebay that are ready to go. http://www.ebay.com/itm/33-Gallon-Fresh ... 94&vxp=mtr This is the one I got and am putting it in the 20" high X 20" wide side cupboards. Fill, drain, pump and vent ports are already there. I like your idea but again, seems like a lot of work to accomplish the same thing that is ready made.
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Re: Professors 7x14 Toy Hauler

Postby aztrooper » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:31 pm

How about this and put it in between the cross braces between the two axles http://www.ebay.com/itm/21-gallon-Fresh ... ad&vxp=mtr unless you need the weight in the rear to offset a heavy hitch weight. That way it would be protected by the axles hanging down a little. That would be better than something hanging down in the very back where when you come off of a curb where it would scrape.
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Re: Professors 7x14 Toy Hauler

Postby professorkx » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:47 am

desertrat222 wrote:how about a boat fresh water tank there only 6-8" deep. if you put it just behind the axle it shouldn't drag.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RV-Boat-Storage-Tank-Fresh-Water-14-X-72-X-8-33-Gallon-Sensors-New-102-/111565725517?hash=item19f9d5df4d&vxp=mtr


8 inches is too low unless I raise the trailer we a spring swap. five inches is about all I can manage without risking dragging the ground...but I like the thought process.
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Re: Professors 7x14 Toy Hauler

Postby professorkx » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:50 am

lrrowe wrote:Personally, I like this concept. I considered it before for both fresh water and for gray water. But I put it way down on my list of things to work on as initially I will run a 10 gal tank in the front under the counter. You have renewd my interest for those times where I wanted to carry more water such as when remote camping. My plans were to carry the extra water in 5 gal. jugs stored in the back of the truck until needed. This idea, if used, would free up some space in the truck.

But you would need to either gravity drain the water or have a pump system to deliver the water to where needed.


Agree. I currently use a 4 gallon water jug under the sink that is delivered to the faucet via a pump, and carry several extra jugs, but as you noted, this takes room. When I built the trailer, I planned for a tank under the floor as a contingency, just wasn't sure how I was going to work it out...
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Re: water tank

Postby professorkx » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:52 am

aztrooper wrote:Sounds like a lot of work to make when you can just purchase one of the RV tanks on Ebay that are ready to go.


Size is my problem, as tank can't be deeper than 5 inches or it will certainly drag the ground through dips on dirt roads. I also need the weight behind my axle to avoid adding tongue weight, so my options are limited.
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Re: Professors 7x14 Toy Hauler

Postby aztrooper » Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:42 am

You can always put the spring over the axle kit on it like I did and gain six more inches in height. It is actually pretty easy to do. Took me about 2 hours for both sides. viewtopic.php?f=42&t=62089&start=15
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Re: Professors 7x14 Toy Hauler

Postby professorkx » Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:10 pm

aztrooper wrote:You can always put the spring over the axle kit on it like I did and gain six more inches in height. It is actually pretty easy to do. Took me about 2 hours for both sides. viewtopic.php?f=42&t=62089&start=15


Yup, done that quite a lot, as I owned a utility trailer manufacturing company for years, and we would make this change for customer who desired more ground clearance. However, I don't really want the trailer any higher, as I don't want the increased wind resistance and don't want the trailer deck any higher since I ride my dual sport motorcycle in and out of the trailer for transport. Wasn't a problem with dirtbikes, but backing a 500+ pound motorcycle down a ramp increases the pucker factor as the steepness of the ramp increases...and I'm not getting any younger. :shock:
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Re: Professors 7x14 Toy Hauler

Postby lrrowe » Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:09 pm

I had the manufacturer give me two more inches of ground clearance and you are right on with the wind resistance price I am now paying. Which I could change it, but it a Dexter Torsion one and I cannot.
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Re: Professors 7x14 Toy Hauler

Postby professorkx » Thu May 07, 2015 11:10 am

Folding Bed Hinge system.

Someone asked me to post the hinge system on my folding bed, but I can't seem to find the post, so might have been on another thread. So, I decided to post here in hopes that the one asking the question finds these pictures.

As I noted earlier, I built my folding bed like a cabinet in the shop, and then installed it in the trailer once painted. Once the cabinet frame was installed, I knew I needed to strengthen the board that would hold the pivot point hinge, as one piece of 3/4 inch plywood had too much flex. So, I glued/screwed another 3/4 plywood board on the bottom, and once the hinge was installed, I glued/screwed another 3/4 plywood board on the top, but the top board was narrower to allow the bed platform to fold into the cabinet. Here is a picture of the pivot point hinge.

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You can see the step in the top board, as well as the deflated air mattress. I used a piano hinge, along with 1 1/2 inch number 6 screws since I had two layers of 3/4 plywood. I installed the hinge on the cabinet first, then set the platform into the cabinet and installed the hinge on the platform. When the bed is folded down, with the addition of the top 3/4 plywood board (now covered in carpet), I have a flat surface front to back, except for the step area for the hinge. However, the air mattress will make sure we never feel this gap.

I also noted that I made washers out of aluminum so I didn't fray my carpet from screwing the legs in and out over time. Here are a few pictures of the washer and leg.

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This last picture shows the bottom leg as well as the pivot hinge on the outside of the bed platform.

Finally, a few pictures of the hinge at the end of the bed. Since the folding in area is shorter than the mattress, I had to cut about 16 inches off the end of the platform and use another piano hinge to fold the end out onto the support board screwed to the opposite wall. Since I had seamed my platform plywood and topped with 1/4 inch plywood for added strength, I was able to use 1 inch number 6 screws to attach my end hinge. Here are a few pictures of the end of the bed.

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And finally, a picture front the front of the trailer with the bed folded down. You can see that even with the bed folded down, we still have a lot of room to "live" in the trailer, so once we fold the bed down for camping, it stays down until we pack up to head home.

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As noted earlier, I deflate the mattress with a pump to remove all of the air. I fold the mattress at the end to shorten for folding the bed into the cabinet, and I fold the 1 inch memory foam topper at the top for the same reason. The puts the double thick sections on opposite ends, and allows me to fold everything into the cabinet once strapped down with nylon straps. Unfortunately, I needed about 2 more inches of depth in my cabinet after adding the 1 inch memory foam to leave the blankets on the bed while folded into the cabinet. However, since the pillows live above the fridge, I had just enough room to add three good fleece blankets and the 4 legs and still easily close the cabinet door. The mattress topper and sheet stay on the bed when folded, so all bedding has a place that is tucked behind a door.
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Re: Professors 7x14 Toy Hauler

Postby aztrooper » Fri May 08, 2015 1:31 pm

Thanks Professor, that was me who asked.
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Re: Professors 7x14 Toy Hauler

Postby Yukon Cornelius » Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:51 pm

Great thread; thanks for the detailed info!
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