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Help with wall/hatch design

Postby TimC » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:26 pm

I may have messed up when I cut the wall profile for the hatch area. Below are three photos of the dado I cut in the wall. The wall thickness is 1-1/4". The dado is 1/2" x 1/2", leaving 3/4" thickness on the original profile shape. I've seen many different designs so I'm not too worried that I can't overcome this obstacle. Any suggestions on how to build the hatch without modifying the wall too much? Thanks.

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Re: Help with wall/hatch design

Postby KCStudly » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:46 am

So, what is the problem again? :thinking:

I guess it all depends on what the plan for the hatch and seal is in the first place, whether or not there is a problem. More details please.

Are you attempting to use <edit> Steve's </edit> method or something else?
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Re: Help with wall/hatch design

Postby dales133 » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:49 am

Im pretty sure what ever your concern is it can be rectified but yea.... we need more informarion on what youd planned and where you think youve gone wrong.
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Re: Help with wall/hatch design

Postby TimC » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:54 am

Guess I'm jumping the gun on this question. I'm still working on cabinets, so, it will be a while before I need to figure this all out. I did look back at the S. Frederick hatch method and I will adapt to that somehow. Originally I was going to overlap the double 1/8" lauan hatch skin over the wall profile. I now think that 1/4" lamination of lauan will flex too much after a while. I'm thinking maybe I will CAREFULLY cut 1-1/2" of the existing profile off saving the cut-off for my outer hatch frames.

I don't know what I was thinking when I cut/routed this part of the profile out...
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Re: Help with wall/hatch design

Postby noseoil » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:57 am

How about a slice of 1/2" material to pad out the inner wall faces & make a "lip" which protrudes up past the 1/2" rabbet a bit on the inside? This would help keep any water which leaks past the seal in a small "gutter" and rolling down to the floor, so it can be directed outboard and escape.

I used 1/2" birch plywood to make mine & mounted a strut attachment to this inner face as well.
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Re: Help with wall/hatch design

Postby TimC » Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:27 am

noseoil wrote:How about a slice of 1/2" material to pad out the inner wall faces & make a "lip" which protrudes up past the 1/2" rabbet a bit on the inside? This would help keep any water which leaks past the seal in a small "gutter" and rolling down to the floor, so it can be directed outboard and escape.

I used 1/2" birch plywood to make mine & mounted a strut attachment to this inner face as well.


Do you have a photo or sketch of what you are describing? I get what you mean about the 1/2" filler and the lip, but not sure how it all finishes up. I may be looking at my hatch all wrong, but, I see two 1/8" lauan plys laminated together to top it off. I'm a bit worried it won't stand up to time just hanging there. I know I'm probably making too much of this hatch build.

I'm just finishing up my foot board cabinets today, then on to the galley cabinets. It will be a while before I get to the hatch. I've slowed down on the work pace as I realize this build is going to take much more than the month which was my original estimate.
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Re: Help with wall/hatch design

Postby TimC » Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:23 pm

I trimmed the profile and routed out a "gutter" on the exterior side. It turned out a little sloppy, but, workable. The cedar siding took a beating on the edge with a lot of tear out. I was impatient and didn't take the time to put on masking tape to eliminate the tear out. Guess I'll do a trim piece along the outside edge all the way from front to back to hide my opps.

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Thanks all for the suggestions. I appreciate them all.
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Re: Help with wall/hatch design

Postby KCStudly » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:56 am

I had similar issues with splintering while cutting Red Grandis, until I was reminded of the trick to score your cut lines with a razor knife first (Thanks to GPW). Made all the difference in the world.
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Re: Help with wall/hatch design

Postby noseoil » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:16 pm

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, didn't see the thread again until now. Here's a shot from inside with the 1/2" spacer & an extra piece for the strut mount fastened in place.

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Here's the rough-in for that part, being fit to the inside & curve & checked.

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Re: Help with wall/hatch design

Postby TimC » Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:27 pm

noseoil wrote:Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, didn't see the thread again until now. Here's a shot from inside with the 1/2" spacer & an extra piece for the strut mount fastened in place.

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Here's the rough-in for that part, being fit to the inside & curve & checked.

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OK, I was thinking something else. I will probably incorporate trim like this in my hatch as the smaller gutter I routed may not give much protetion in a driving rain (or driving in the rain. A few more interior tasks to get done and family up for the weekend so it slow down here til next week.
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