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Re: Tucson tortoise

Postby capnTelescope » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:52 pm

It's looking really good, Tim. :thumbsup: :applause:

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Re: Tucson tortoise

Postby noseoil » Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:31 pm

Thanks Capn' it's coming along now. Did the top skin, port holes & roof vent this morning. Downright chilly out there today, only 89 so far, brrrrrrrr!
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Tested the roof vent & it works, so another thing off the punch list.
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Re: Tucson tortoise

Postby dales133 » Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:35 pm

Looking very sharp mate
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Re: Tucson tortoise

Postby KCStudly » Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:34 pm

Very well put together. :thumbsup:
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Re: Tucson tortoise

Postby lfhoward » Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:30 pm

Stunningly gorgeous trailer. I've said it before, but I love the two tone green / silver. Even better now with the doors and windows installed. :applause:
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Re: Tucson tortoise

Postby tony.latham » Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:48 pm

Any idea when the Champagne is going to be cracked across the bow and sent off on its shakedown trip?

(You taken a nap in that cabin yet?)

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Re: Tucson tortoise

Postby JmsCaverly » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:06 am

Your so close to being done!! It really looks great, I love the color. Good choice!
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Getting there

Postby noseoil » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:10 am

Thanks guys, nice to hear from everyone & get some positive feedback on the build. Great getting all the ideas, support & input from people along the way as I've been working on it. There's no way I could have done this like I have without the help from this community. I probably could have figured things out as I went, but the finished product couldn't have been anywhere near as good without the help.

Even our UPS driver liked it yesterday! He had something to drop off & I asked him how he liked what they'd been sending for the last year. His comment was, "Did you make that?" I told him that I did, but they'd been dropping off parts so I could finish it. He really enjoyed looking it over and asked some good questions. It was my first tour of the build, even if it was given in the back yard!

Tony, not sure exactly when I'll really be "finished" but we may make the maiden voyage next month. There's a gathering up in Nevada we may go to with a friend, so fingers are crossed for having it far enough along to be able to attend. At this point I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, but it's still a long tunnel we're travelling through.

Today I'll skin the hatch & install all the hardware on it (bumpers, latch, etc.), then take a look at what's left to make her "seaworthy." The main things holding it up now are the air conditioning box (finish & skin, inside & outside, trim), bolting it to the frame once the box is complete, the power panel (PD 4045) & all electrical circuits including the stereo, TV & DVD player, the galley (oven, cooler, etc.), cabinet doors & drawers in the galley & cabin, the battery & solar system installation, & the propane setup for the galley. I'll need to install the last 1/8" plywood skin to the inside of the hatch, but wiring will have to be completed first & all circuits will need to be checked, since there's a lot going on in it. That should be the last sheet of 5' X 5' Baltic birch for the build I have to buy.

I certainly don't need all of this just to do a simple road trip, but all running lights & some of the wiring needs to be working. In November we shouldn't need to have the air conditioner running (unless it's still too hot outside)..... I don't need to have the propane up & running for a weekend trip, so there's enough to do that I can pick & choose what will be necessary for a shake-down cruise, & what isn't. Will let y'all know how it goes & I'll keep posting pictures of the progress.

Again, many thanks to everyone for the help on this thing, it's been a blast working on it & still is!
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Re: Tucson tortoise

Postby S. Heisley » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:13 pm

It's looking top notch! :thumbsup:
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Re: Tucson tortoise

Postby noseoil » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:29 pm

Thanks Sharon, it's moving forward still! Hatch, a work in progress still.... Spent the entire day on it & not quite finished with everything, but it's getting there.
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Stainless steel Chicago screws. I have a couple of small tweaks left on the trim, but it's in place now & has the tape holding it down & keeping out the water.
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Bumper & light detail, prior to cutting out the back-up lights with the flush-cut bit in the router for a final fit.
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Edge trim in place, fit is OK & should work to seal with the gasket. Out of time today.
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Looks like the canopy will be giving up the ghost soon, but the build is pretty well dried in now so if it leaks & falls apart, it did its job well these last few months. The sun ate it & now you can push a finger through the material easily. Still have the tarps in place for now, as there are a few things left which could leak. Might have more rain this coming week, so taking no chances with the water until I'm sure everything is going to be right. No hurries, no worries.
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Re: Tucson tortoise

Postby lfhoward » Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:11 pm

Tim, I have a few skinning questions for you!

I'm wondering how you are cutting the 0.04 aluminum. Are you using tin snips or some other method of making an edge roughly "close" before mounting a sheet in place?

Is that Gorilla Tape holding the aluminum in place on the trailer initially? Any screws or staples in the side pieces, or do they just float inside of the roof corner moldings?

You mentioned using the flush cut router on a slow speed to make the edges exact. Does your bit have a bearing on it? Mine rotates against the side, so it has no bearing.

When you used sealing tape under your corner moldings, did you use any on the side aluminum inside the molding's vertical lip, or is it all on the roof's horizontal surface?

Just looking ahead to cutting and mounting my own aluminum soon and wondering about best practices for doing so. I've read a number of skinning threads so far and it seems there are many methodologies! Yours looks beautiful so I was wondering how you went about it.
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Re: Tucson tortoise

Postby noseoil » Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:53 pm

I use a saber saw with a metal cutting (fine tooth) blade to rough-in the cuts. Basically, it's a magic marker line traced around the edge & I leave the line when I cut. That leaves about 1/8" (which is bigger than it needs to be), but that way there's room for error when mounting the sheet to get it in place.

When I did the side panels, I just used 2 wood blocks to keep the sheet from falling (an 1/8" saw kerf to hold the aluminum from moving) and hold it for marking. My wife held it in place while I ran the magic marker along the edge to get the line I wanted. It was then set on some 2 x 4's (carefully!) face down, & cut from the back side, since the saw will scratch the metal if you aren't careful. I would use a heavy tape (the Gorilla tape) to protect the surface if you will be cutting on a finished face. Keep the tape out of the cut or it can help clog the cutter.

To install the sheet, I didn't want screw holes or staples in the face, so I ran contact cement along the top edge of the cabin side & on the aluminum sheet on the back, only about an inch wide, just enough to hold the sheet. This lets you position the sheet on the blocks at the bottom, slide it where it needs to go, hold out the top to check things, then spot it in place. Once it's held by the glue at the top & the blocks at the bottom, I went ahead & coated the rest of the panel along the edge (the front & back edge) to hold it for trimming. It's basically like doing formica work, only you float the center & just do the edges. The glue acts like a bunch of clamps. For a finished trim, it's held well enough to take a pass with the router (tape or scratch). I wouldn't rely on the glue to actually hold the panel permanently, but for assembly it's quick, easy, cheap & effective. It's like having a clamp wherever you need one, just don't "spot" it until you're sure it's in the right place.

I use a 1/2" flush-cut bit with a bearing on the bottom. A solid nub at the bottom will work on formica, but it will just burn the edge on most things, so a bearing is the way to go. If you keep it oiled (just a drop of motor oil from time to time) the bearing will last a long time. If not, as soon as it heats up it will die. As long as you have less than 1/8" of aluminum to trim, it doesn't seem to want to clog. Any more than that & it starts to melt the edge & you have to stop to clear the bit.

The sheets are really held in place by the screws & trim, doors, windows & hardware, so if the glue joint fails, it doesn't matter! Hope this helps. Let me know if there are any questions, but this seems to be an easy way of dealing with things without a bunch of clamps & tape.

P.S. The butyl rubber tape is applied to the flat side only. It butts into the short edge & stops there. If it were placed on both surfaces, it would be impossible to get a clean edge and have it pull tight & uniform. With the tape on the "flat" side of the trim (the wide flange), once the screws go in to push down, it spreads the tape & squashes it sideways. This should be enough to cover the edge of the sheet. I didn't run all the screws down 100% tight at first. After sitting in the heat for a while (90+ degrees here), the tape spreads out & I can tighten them just a bit more. I don't think I would have as good a time if it was cold out, the tape is not nearly as pliable when it's too cold. I use a cheap Ryobi 18 volt cordless drill with a clutch. Since stainless steel screws are fairly soft, I set the clutch at about 4. I drill a pilot hole for the screw body, so only the threads bite into the wood to provide the grip. I have places with screws every 4", 5" & 6", depending on how tight the radius of a curve is. On a long flat run, it's 6" on center. On a small curve it's 4".
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Re: Tucson tortoise

Postby rebapuck » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:12 pm

Gorilla tape is awfully strong. I temporarily held a window in place on my bus and when I removed the tape, paint came with it. All the way down to the metal. I'd use regular duct tape.
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Re: Tucson tortoise

Postby McGuffin » Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:37 pm

Hi Tim,

Everything is beginning to come together beautifully!

Can you please give me some information on the screws that you used to hold down the edge trim and the door trim. What dimensions are they? Also you mentioned Chicago screws for the hatch. I never knew such things existed! Where did you get them and what size are they?

Great work! :applause:

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Re: Tucson tortoise

Postby noseoil » Tue Oct 06, 2015 6:36 pm

Hello Larry, your build is looking very nice now! The fiberglass worked out pretty well judging from the pictures you've posted.

I used stainless steel sheet metal screws for the edge moldings. They're a pan head Phillips "type A 18.8" stainless. I'm not sure what's available where you live, but I used a combination of #8 X 1/2" & 3/4" (12mm & 19mm long). The shorter ones were for straight runs without curves in the edge molding, & the longer ones were for the radius bends, where there was more "grip" needed to hold the curve in place to draw it down. They seem to have held things well enough and should be there for the duration.

Chicago screws were originally used in book binding and made in Chicago for that application. They were a convenient way of holding material in place, and could be removed to add or subtract pages when necessary. I use the "blind" type (also in stainless steel), which means the top or head side has no slot for a screw driver, it just looks like a domed rivet head (see detail shot above). The top part is the "female" part, which has a smooth outside body diameter of about 5mm and is threaded to accept a #6 machine screw on the inside. The body length is about 10mm, or about the thickness of the hatch, aluminum skin & molding. With the butyl rubber tape, there is some compression which occurs to make a good snug fit & to draw things together tightly. The #6 machine screws, which are the bottom fastener, are about 6mm long, #2 Phillips drive, & more of a "button" head type.

Here's a web site where I found mine. There are many different types available (types of metal finishes, lengths, sizes, etc.), so it might take a while to plow through the information, but it's in there somewhere. They're available in aluminum, but I wasn't sure they would be strong enough to suck down the molding, bed the sealant & grab well enough to hold as I cranked down on the screws to hold the edge. I just couldn't think of another way to make things work with my design.

https://www.chicagoscrews.com/Stainless ... ago-Screws

Hopefully there is a supplier or manufacturer across the pond where you can buy. I'm sure there must be a manufacturer somewhere in Europe to find them and save on shipping.
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