Feds step in with a ruling regarding public camping.

[jstrubberg]

This ruling isn't about public camping. It's about the federal government deciding that if someone falls asleep on the steps of city hall, it's cruel and unusual punishment to wake them and move them on.

[Dalorin]

This ruling isn't about public camping. It's about the federal government deciding that if someone falls asleep on the steps of city hall, it's cruel and unusual punishment to wake them and move them on.

It does affect every law regarding public camping. For example, many cities currently have laws against sleeping in a vehicle. This affects that. The war on homelessness is definitely affecting public camping.

[tony.latham]

legalizing public camping

Do you mean in municipalities?

As you are aware, that case law came from the city of Boise. In Idaho, about 60% of the land is public –USFS and BLM. I know of none of it that doesn't allow dispersed camping (for up to 14 days). So I really don't think we have a problem with "public camping" at least here.

Tony

[Dalorin]

legalizing public camping

Do you mean in municipalities?

As you are aware, that case law came from the city of Boise. In Idaho, about 60% of the land is public –USFS and BLM. I know of none of it that doesn't allow dispersed camping (for up to 14 days). So I really don't think we have a problem with "public camping" at least here.

Tony

Tony, you are correct. I should have been more clear.

When I said public camping I was referring to overnight stays on side streets and parking lots. Not that that's an ideal situation anyhow. However, when you're on the road and can't find anywhere else to stop...

Currently you can land in hot water just for having your camper in a vacant parking lot.

[OverTheTopCargoTrailer]

I have to laugh my butt off about this because a lot of people give me crap for not having windows in my 7 x 18 cargo trailer ......

But I have parked overnight inside a mega fancy KOA campground and every other illegal situation and have never even had anyone sniff the tires, lots of homeless have told me I have the ultimate invisible stealth trailer.

LOL

Cheers ottct

[Tomterrific]

Perhaps communities should set up Bum camps. Small lots with a water faucet, electric and a portapotty. These would be sprinkled over areas of the city close to bus lines for transportation. Of course I don't want one of these close to my neighborhood. :-)

How about sleeping shelves to sleep many people in a small area.

A flood plain would be good for unlicensed getto construction as a yearly flood would wash everything away. Smart folks would build a barge house to float up with any rising water.

As you see I have no solution,
T

[dales133]

Here in Australia there are signs all over the place saying " tired, microsleeps can kill...pull over and have a rest " or words to that effect...and then the next sign says its an offence to sleep in cars.
Not very bright our burocracy

[Socal Tom]

The decision said that you can't make sleeping outside illegal if there is no alternative. So it can still be illegal, if the community provides alternatives.
As for immigrants, the population of employment age people in the US is shrinking. If people want to be able to retire, then we need more people to work and pay taxes. As for jobs in stem, there are many, but you may need to move to get one, and you may have to start at the bottom. This generation seems to think that you should get $100k to start, and be made director after 6 months.
Tom

[dales133]

The decision said that you can't make sleeping outside illegal if there is no alternative. So it can still be illegal, if the community provides alternatives.
As for immigrants, the population of employment age people in the US is shrinking. If people want to be able to retire, then we need more people to work and pay taxes. As for jobs in stem, there are many, but you may need to move to get one, and you may have to start at the bottom. This generation seems to think that you should get $100k to start, and be made director after 6 months.
Tom

Generation now

[rowerwet]

until this trend is reversed, we have no need to import a work force.

[Socal Tom]

until this trend is reversed, we have no need to import a work force.

That chart is exactly why we need to import a workforce. Less than 63% of the people over age 16 participate in the workforce. Part of that is that our population is aging, part of that is people that choose not to work due to various factors, including disability, attending college, or just the choice to stay home and take care of the kids, and some accept that they are satisfied with social programs and choose not to participate.
Tom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_in_ ... _workforce

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/sus ... -lowest-38

[jstrubberg]

until this trend is reversed, we have no need to import a work force.

That chart is exactly why we need to import a workforce. Less than 63% of the people over age 16 participate in the workforce. Part of that is that our population is aging, part of that is people that choose not to work due to various factors, including disability, attending college, or just the choice to stay home and take care of the kids, and some accept that they are satisfied with social programs and choose not to participate.
Tom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_in_ ... _workforce

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/sus ... -lowest-38

[Socal Tom]

until this trend is reversed, we have no need to import a work force.

That chart is exactly why we need to import a workforce. Less than 63% of the people over age 16 participate in the workforce. Part of that is that our population is aging, part of that is people that choose not to work due to various factors, including disability, attending college, or just the choice to stay home and take care of the kids, and some accept that they are satisfied with social programs and choose not to participate.
Tom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_in_ ... _workforce

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/sus ... -lowest-38

My father worked 20 years in the Navy, then another 20 working for local government and he retired at 55. His Social Security retirement age is 62. He falls in that category. The chart above includes all people over the age of 16. Those who retire are among those who choose to accept the social programs as adequate ( even the rich usually take social security payments). Personally I'll be lucky to retire by 62, and my SS retirement age is 67, Legal immigration managed properly bring over people and families who pay taxes, send their kids to schools so they can get high paying jobs, so they can pay more taxes, so that the rest of us that want to retire some day are able too.
Tom

This version gives a longer term view

[rowerwet]

The economy is not creating jobs at a rate needed to even cover high school or college grads. We just had a wave of kids bigger than the baby boomers. They are not joining the work force the way they should, because there is no growth, and therfore no jobs.
Without the entry level jobs to train them, they will not be ready to take on higher level work.
Brining in non skilled foreign workers makes the problem worse.
If welfare is so comfy, it's time to cut it in a major way, as the greatest teacher said, "if a person won't work, they also shouldn't eat"

[Woodbutcher]

Good boy Mike, you are learning! Go make some breakfast.