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Realistic budget ?

Postby rustytoolss » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:54 pm

We all want more that than our budgets can permit. So as much as I would like to build a TD or TTT. I don't want to be the guy that starts a project, just to find out I can not afford to finish it :oops: :NC .
So those of you with high hopes and low funds (like me) . What kind of realistic budget is "REAL" ? For a well built (using durable materials/ maybe not the best/ but durable), no fancy woods, metal siding, high end standout items. Nothing flashy.
Just a basic useable TD/TTT say 5x8 painted surfaces, building as much as possible to keep the cost down (things like doors etc).
Since I'm just in the planning stage . I'm hoping to scrounge up parts from old RV's (windows, lighting what ever) if I have the chance to get them. Maybe a popup frame also.
So what is a realistic budget for a "nothing special" small homebuilt camper. What have some of you cash strapped guys built ? And what ideas did you use to help save money ?
Money has always been a concern for me, but I've always managed to get the job done...just took a little longer than the other guy. ;)
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Re: Realistic budget ?

Postby bamajoe » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:25 pm

I definitely fit in the cash strapped category!
I'm not done with mine and it's just basic, no galley, but I've got right about $600 in it right now. I expect to have around $800 by the time it's done. Image


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Re: Realistic budget

Postby Donutboy » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:40 pm

I recently totaled the receipts for mine, and found I had spent $5000. But that was for everything - camper, air conditioning, tankless water heater, all electrical components, icebox, upholstery, etc. It was "pay as you go", so I have no credit card bills.

I started off wanting to do it cheap, but at some point realized that for the amount of work involved, I wanted it to come out good.

Some guys mentioned buying 2x4s or 2x6s and ripping their own 1x2s. That would have saved some money. Also, epoxy + paint ended up costing as much, if not more, than it would have cost to cover it in aluminum. More work, too.
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Re: Realistic budget ?

Postby daddytall » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:57 am

All new, assuming Horrible Freight chassis could be done for $1000ish. No extras like a kitchen or fancy trim, Windows and doors, but it could be done. My budget is at the other end is 5k

Build it in stages, buy the HF trailer, put it together put a tent on it at the camp ground. Add to it as $'s become available. Just remember "NO TOYS ON CREDIT CARDS" and you will be fine. If you search craigslist you can score a deal, but it's hard to beat the $400 HF trailer. Go to thrift store, recycled resellers, and where ever else you can sorce parts or imperative, but whatever you do just get out ther and build something!
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Re: Realistic budget ?

Postby daveesl77 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:03 am

With Conch Fritter our final, total build cost was $2,600. With that said, I did have a fair amount of things that while small, end up adding up - water pumps, electric stuff, aluminum, solar panel and on-demand water heater. I bought "cull" lumber from HD and cut it down to my desired sizes. I already had most of the wood working tools I needed. Got my HF trailer when they still allowed you to use the 20% off coupon on trailers for $308 out the door. I built my own doors and wiley windows. If I had to do the identical trailer, but without the pre-owned materials, probably the cost would have been about $3,000-$3,500.

Find RVs at scrap yards, you'll be amazed at the super deals you can get for almost nothing as long as you don't mind digging around through piles of crap left over inside abandoned campers. Heck, I actually made money on one of my scrounging expeditions, as the previous owner had let like $80 fall out of his pockets and through the cushions on his sofa while obviously drunk.

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Re: Realistic budget ?

Postby rustytoolss » Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:29 am

daveesl77 wrote:With Conch Fritter our final, total build cost was $2,600. With that said, I did have a fair amount of things that while small, end up adding up - water pumps, electric stuff, aluminum, solar panel and on-demand water heater. I bought "cull" lumber from HD and cut it down to my desired sizes. I already had most of the wood working tools I needed. Got my HF trailer when they still allowed you to use the 20% off coupon on trailers for $308 out the door. I built my own doors and wiley windows. If I had to do the identical trailer, but without the pre-owned materials, probably the cost would have been about $3,000-$3,500.

Find RVs at scrap yards, you'll be amazed at the super deals you can get for almost nothing as long as you don't mind digging around through piles of crap left over inside abandoned campers. Heck, I actually made money on one of my scrounging expeditions, as the previous owner had let like $80 fall out of his pockets and through the cushions on his sofa while obviously drunk.

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What is "cull" lumber ?, and wiley windows ?
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Re: Realistic budget ?

Postby rustytoolss » Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:35 am

Wow, Thanks guys. It's good to know that others have beat the low bucks issue. Gives me hope to start finding cheap materials that I might be able to use. It may take me a few years to finish. But When done, I will be able to quit using my tent. And camp in a hard shell trailer :thinking:
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Re: Realistic budget ?

Postby Graniterich » Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:47 am

I built this for $1200Image

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Re: Realistic budget ?

Postby booyah » Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:49 am

so building mine, they way I wanted it (mostly) cost me about $3000
Some things are still being added (A/C, solar panel, more storage etc) but maybe another $500-600 total.

Now, before I built mine, I ran approx numbers to build one cheap. Built not bought doors, not insulated walls, 4x8 instead of 5x8, not using any electrical (depending upon flashlights or stick on lights), etc. Under the idea of whats the minimum I could get into this for, while still using all new equipment, and it came in at just over 1k.

That did include epoxy for the outside (rather than just paint) and a 4" mattress where if you were going for total minimal cost you could go air mattress.

The reason i spent the extra 2k though was simple. What if I only ever get to build 1. Do I want the one that is the "bare minimum" to get into it, or do I want the one that I WANT :-)
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Re: Realistic budget ?

Postby rustytoolss » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:35 am

My thoughts on building a bare minimum camper would be, to start at that. Get it usable , just a rolling shell. Then as I have a few bucks, improve to the point it's new over time. Ridged rolling shell with doors, place for air mattress, Then later build interior structure, then wiring etc. That way the price is spread over time.
Even as a rolling shell it still would be better than using my tent. No setup, dry, off of the ground when raining.
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Re: Realistic budget ?

Postby JaggedEdges » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:51 pm

Can't leave a whole lot of interior to finish, maybe cupboard fronts and drawers, since a lot of it is either integrated into structure in the first place, or like interior panelling will be too big to deal with in there by the time you got the roof on. TTT size you can wait to do cabinets I guess.

If you find the ideal junk popup, that maybe has road cover split at the corners, canvas split at the corners and zippers bust, enough to make it $$$ to fix, you can recycle a very great deal out if it, provided you don't set about it with a 10lb hammer to get at the frame. Rescue the bed end canvass roofs, cut them on the wall side of the seam if you have to cut, put them through a commercial washer at the laundromat with bleach if there's any signs of mildew. Should get enough to do a roof, with the paint/fabric method of finish. If the road cover is fabricated flat, not one piece of ridged ABS or fibreglass, then you may be able to use that to cover the sides or roof. Rescue the vent cover and frame. Take out the applicances, save all doors and hardware on cabinets and any large areas of plywood, the dinette boxes may yield enough wood across to make a kitchen on a 4x8 or if you're lucky and it was a queen size dinette, a 5x8. Ignore if it's particle board though. The bed end boards should be enough to make the floor of a TD from. Take off all sealing strip carefully. If you luck out, it's got a split hard door, that the top part is the right size to make a TD door, save all frame and sealing for it. The material of the box may be useful to save to cover sides. Hopefully you also get usuable mattresses and cushions. Measure across the kitchentop before you rip it apart, if it puts the stove and sink close enough that it will fit your kitchen, and the top is 4 or 5' across, why mess with fate, take/use the whole thing.

If you get real lucky and get the ideal junker I'd guesstimate a 90s model would tend to have these features, then you could save $1000 worth of parts and materials before you get to the frame, considering, vent cover, door, appliances, trailer lights, half your cabinets, frame your kitchen to use the doors and drawers. Heck you might even sell functioning lift mechanism parts, and tanks (likely to be too big for TD) and make back the $200 lucky you shelled out for it. If you're not going to use the dinette cushions and table yourself, try selling those, they seem to go missing a lot from campers, people end up using lumps of plywood and garden chair cushions. (Potential $200 in those if they're not super shabby or funky)

If everything went super perfect, you've sold lift mechanism mechanics, tanks, dinette stuff, and any unique pieces that owners of good shape ones of those popups will pay good money for, you might have even ended up with $400 back, $200 ahead, in pocket. So go buy you 6 sheets of luaun with exterior grade glue, half a dozen 2x4s to rip, lots of gorilla glue, few hundred 1" weatherproofed screws (What you can get, plated, coated, brass) 4 gallons of recycled exterior paint, can of underseal/roof sealer (for underneath) and 4x 1"x4'x8" styrofoam, can of polyurethane for inside, and I think you'll still have $50 left for any bits and pieces that come up.

So yah, theoretical possibility of a "$200" TD there. Depends how relatively cheap and wrecked popups get in your locale.

You can take it further.. reclaimed 2x4s or skids for your sticks.... discarded basement window wells or galvanized washtubs sawn up for fenders...
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Re: Realistic budget ?

Postby rustytoolss » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:33 pm

JaggedEdges wrote:Can't leave a whole lot of interior to finish, maybe cupboard fronts and drawers, since a lot of it is either integrated into structure in the first place, or like interior panelling will be too big to deal with in there by the time you got the roof on. TTT size you can wait to do cabinets I guess.

If you find the ideal junk popup, that maybe has road cover split at the corners, canvas split at the corners and zippers bust, enough to make it $$$ to fix, you can recycle a very great deal out if it, provided you don't set about it with a 10lb hammer to get at the frame. Rescue the bed end canvass roofs, cut them on the wall side of the seam if you have to cut, put them through a commercial washer at the laundromat with bleach if there's any signs of mildew. Should get enough to do a roof, with the paint/fabric method of finish. If the road cover is fabricated flat, not one piece of ridged ABS or fibreglass, then you may be able to use that to cover the sides or roof. Rescue the vent cover and frame. Take out the applicances, save all doors and hardware on cabinets and any large areas of plywood, the dinette boxes may yield enough wood across to make a kitchen on a 4x8 or if you're lucky and it was a queen size dinette, a 5x8. Ignore if it's particle board though. The bed end boards should be enough to make the floor of a TD from. Take off all sealing strip carefully. If you luck out, it's got a split hard door, that the top part is the right size to make a TD door, save all frame and sealing for it. The material of the box may be useful to save to cover sides. Hopefully you also get usuable mattresses and cushions. Measure across the kitchentop before you rip it apart, if it puts the stove and sink close enough that it will fit your kitchen, and the top is 4 or 5' across, why mess with fate, take/use the whole thing.

If you get real lucky and get the ideal junker I'd guesstimate a 90s model would tend to have these features, then you could save $1000 worth of parts and materials before you get to the frame, considering, vent cover, door, appliances, trailer lights, half your cabinets, frame your kitchen to use the doors and drawers. Heck you might even sell functioning lift mechanism parts, and tanks (likely to be too big for TD) and make back the $200 lucky you shelled out for it. If you're not going to use the dinette cushions and table yourself, try selling those, they seem to go missing a lot from campers, people end up using lumps of plywood and garden chair cushions. (Potential $200 in those if they're not super shabby or funky)

If everything went super perfect, you've sold lift mechanism mechanics, tanks, dinette stuff, and any unique pieces that owners of good shape ones of those popups will pay good money for, you might have even ended up with $400 back, $200 ahead, in pocket. So go buy you 6 sheets of luaun with exterior grade glue, half a dozen 2x4s to rip, lots of gorilla glue, few hundred 1" weatherproofed screws (What you can get, plated, coated, brass) 4 gallons of recycled exterior paint, can of underseal/roof sealer (for underneath) and 4x 1"x4'x8" styrofoam, can of polyurethane for inside, and I think you'll still have $50 left for any bits and pieces that come up.

So yah, theoretical possibility of a "$200" TD there. Depends how relatively cheap and wrecked popups get in your locale.

You can take it further.. reclaimed 2x4s or skids for your sticks.... discarded basement window wells or galvanized washtubs sawn up for fenders...

My thoughts are more inline of a TTT, so I may be able to do the interior work even with the roof in position.
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Re: Realistic budget ?

Postby Donutboy » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:36 pm

rustytoolss wrote:My thoughts are more inline of a TTT, so I may be able to do the interior work even with the roof in position.


Yes, I did. 100% of the interior build-out occurred after the shell was complete.

I wish I had a nickel for everytime I went in and out that door on the side...
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Re: Realistic budget ?

Postby rustytoolss » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:55 pm

bamajoe wrote:I definitely fit in the cash strapped category!
I'm not done with mine and it's just basic, no galley, but I've got right about $600 in it right now. I expect to have around $800 by the time it's done. Image


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Nice trailer frame :thumbsup: , Looks like you have enough frame to add a 2 car garage with a deck ! :lol:
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Re: Realistic budget ?

Postby dales133 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:33 pm

Ive hit stacks of financial hurdles during my build but i just do what i can as i can aford it.
As some of the others have said it may be the only one i build so i built what i want and threw the budget out the window months ago.
The way ive been working is buy stuff on a " need it now " basis so you can carry on with a componant then save for the next stage.
Buy what you can on sale along the journey and most importantly make sure your building what you want or need and let it take as long as it takes.
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