HALLMARK 6X12 CONVERSION

[Tommy B]

Oh thank you so much Hank. I cant wait to get home and give it a go. I will report back.

[Tommy B]

Ok home now. Cut right to it. I believe I did not get enough thread screwed into tank via the floor flange as you can see the tape is not scored but maybe 3 full turns or so. Maybe less. Clear to see where that water had a chance to leak out at that cut. I was maybe to cautious when I was tightening the floor flange. More tape and umphh.

I filled her once and she leaked. Tightened the toilet some more she still leaked just as bad on the second attempt. But nothing is cracked at least and I don't have to drop the tank.
That DC problem is full blown and I have NO DC power. But power right to the board by volt meter. Will Call Progressive Dynamics tomorrow. Suspecting unit.

Jeeze like giving berth or something.

[flboy]

Ok home now. Cut right to it. I believe I did not get enough thread screwed into tank via the floor flange as you can see the tape is not scored but maybe 3 full turns or so. Maybe less. Clear to see where that water had a chance to leak out at that cut. I was maybe to cautious when I was tightening the floor flange. More tape and umphh.

I filled her once and she leaked. Tightened the toilet some more she still leaked just as bad on the second attempt. But nothing is cracked at least and I don't have to drop the tank.
That DC problem is full blown and I have NO DC power. But power right to the board by volt meter. Will Call Progressive Dynamics tomorrow. Suspecting unit.

Jeeze like giving berth or something.

Tommy, I haven't installed mine yet, but I decided not not to use a threaded input. I thought that would be more complicated. The flange I have just has a straight 3" pipe coming out and I will cut a hole in the tank and install what looks like a rubber grommet that you push the pipe through and it seals. . following are some pics. If you cannot get that tight enough, you may want to consider that if it is not too late to switch (not sure how those threads are on that tank)... or maybe you can get a longer threaded area on a new flange? You're right, by the looks of that teflon tape, it doesn't appear that the threads are engaging?

[hankaye]

Tommy B. Howdy;


Let's solve one problem at a time, ... ok?

Time to tale a measurement or 2 ...
1) How deep is it to the bottom of the entry flange (threaded section),
in the top of the tank the top to the walking surface of the floor that
you are securing the commode mounting flange to???

2) How long is the screw part of the floor flange ??? Equal to the length of
the threads on the floor flange?

3) What is the distance between the bottom of the floor flange bottom
of the threaded section ?

4) Is the section of the mounting flange (2ed. pic), between the threaded
section compressible?

5) Using these measurements will the floor flange screw completely into
the entry flange to the tank and compress the flexible section ?

It is my belief (may be wrong, ... won't be the first time ... ask any of the 4 ex's),
that the floor flange needs to seat as far into the entry flange as possible. To me,
that would be completely. Like when you install a sink or tub.
From what your pix show there is a gap between the bottom of the floor and the
top of the tank's entry flange and it's my belief (see above disclaimer), that the
tank flange should be right at the level of the floor or at least very much closer to
it then what is shown.

Don't mix your electrical work with the water works shocking things can occur ...

hank

PS Just saw flboy's set-up. He beat me to the submit button ... Looks much less complicated.
Provided you get both halves that are compatible ...

[Tommy B]

Good Morning all.
So my take after a good nights sleep and reviewing the much appreciated advice.

Cant go back to the grommet set up unless I reorder the tank without threads which is not possible this year! $$ issues now.

When you reach down in there and pull up on the tank it does lift up I think a 1/4 to 1/2 inch to flush out to the bottom of the deck. Plastic top indents naturally on the tank a bit. When I installed the floor flange first time I was very cautious about over tightening as I was afraid to crack anything. So as I have nothing to loose I will reapply fresh tape and coat the threads with vegetable oil. It is amazing lubricant in plastic to plastic friction. I will know very quickly if I can get 4-5 turns verses the 2 1/2 wimpy turns. I used that oil on that big rubber extension on the tank outlet. When dry I could not even push it on the tank or blade valve. Coated all parts heavy with oil and it slid right on. WD-40 works to but that is a petroleum product.

I will quickly take those measurements first to make sure I'm not pissin in the wind here though but I do believe I can crank that sucker on some more.

About that on demand water pump. That DC power came on very briefly and of course the pump kicked in and the toilet connection was pointing directly at
POWER CENTER and water shot out and fell short by mere inches only because it shut off on its own, thank god. I freaked to say the least. Thanks guys.

[McDave]

Ahhhh, The Old "Path of Least Resistance" strikes again. When you are filling with the Flushmaster 2000, the toilet would normally be closed, that is just for rinsing the tank. When you flush toilet, it is usually just the "volume" that is in the bowl that then goes into the tank, not both. 3" hole that is 6-8" long vs 1.5" vent with elbows? at 7' long plus the vortex deluxe stink remover. One of these things is not like the other, One of these things just isn't the same.......
Also, you may have screwed something up during install. You did put the vent in the top of the tank and it did have a hole there for it, correct? I thought so. If water level is up to the vent pipe air wont escape fast from vent, and pressure will build at 3" pipe. If water is up the vent pipe, well, 8lbs per gallon wants to go somewhere...
Give it a "Real World" test. Like Hank said. (You don't have to use "real" "stuff". Just water like it would be in normal operation) Then look for leaks. Only one operation at a time. Either normal pooping ops. OR normal dumping/rinsing ops.
Also, you need to give that power center adequate AC. Like 20amps.min. 30 if you can get it. Brown out conditions are NOT GOOD. Starving a motor or power supply or transformer just makes em' mad. Get that AC outlet your plugged into from house fixed ASAP.
Great Harley Rally in the Beartooth Mountains this weekend. I'm exhausted. Can't wait to do it again.

McDave

PS., No need to write me a check, cash or Jameson's will do. It's a tax thing, you know.....

[Tommy B]

Mcdave is that you in the dirt on your Harley? Wow that would be so much fun. So BEUTIFUL there. I am envious. Glad you made it back safe. Your one of my top 3 sources for input. You, Hank and Flyboy. Thanks again. Whats the altitude there? I may have to rejet the KTM before I come up to see you! Just messin around!

I'm going to fix this plumping issue tonight. Electric another day.

[McDave]

Yep. The last pic is of the Iron Horse Rodeo. 3rd weekend of July. This weekend was a memorial ride for a friend we lost 9 yrs. ago. We were all friends with Krissy and have become true friends with one another. The poker run is to raise money for the Head Trauma Unit in Billings. This is one of the rides my lovely bride joins me for. Next month I'm flyin solo... and all that implies.


More pics. Oh yeah...Cresting at 10,947 feet in Beartooth Pass



McDave

My parole officer looks HOT in those shorts!

[Tommy B]

WOW that looks like heaven to me Mcdavie. You are living my dream. Great friends, awesome scenery, good times riding.
Sorry about your friend Krissy.
I never take a single day for granted. I believe to live now cause there may not be a tomorrow. IT goes by so dam fast doesn't it?

I need to ride but its too hot and wet right now.

[Tommy B]

Ok I'm gonna do a small victory verbal dance. Don't Hate!

Feast your eyes on perfection boys! Until it leaks any way. Will monitor for 48 hours while I move around in there on electrical fix.

See that blue tape on flange? See arrow on deck? That's where I felt the threads grab. So one and maybe two thirds turn at 7 inch radius was enough to nearly seat the 3 inch radius entirely into the female portion <1/8 of an inch. Will it flex and not brake? Time will tell.

Thanks all.

[Tommy B]

Hey fly boy I am home now and can see your set up. Ughh. Yes I did study that and from what I was told is that was the industry standard now. I was committed to thread at that point. Thanks for sharing. Hope we can compare rigs up in Ocala when it cools off. I need to ride so bad but its too hot for me in the woods now.

[hankaye]

Tommy B, Howdy;

Keepin' fingers Xed wishin' ya luck.
Ether 7" or 3.5" if they are connected they will both turn the same amount of degrees.
just like a hand on a clock. Measure it half way out and all the way out they will both
point to the same location.
Pipe thread gets tighter (and seals better), as you get deeper into the threads.
I liked the veggie oil trick.
Hoping to see a big and not a Thurs. evening in the mean time ...

hank

[flboy]

Hey fly boy I am home now and can see your set up. Ughh. Yes I did study that and from what I was told is that was the industry standard now. I was committed to thread at that point. Thanks for sharing. Hope we can compare rigs up in Ocala when it cools off. I need to ride so bad but its too hot for me in the woods now.

Absolutely, I still have some more building to do but when it cools off... it'll be time for an Ocala run.! Glad you got the tank sorted out!

[McDave]

OK.. just spent 10 min wondering what the hell I was looking at. That is water in the flange, 'cause leak test....duh
Lawd, I hope you don't fill your tank that far..

Hey listen Tommy, I"ll try to be on here Mañana, around siesta time if I can help with the DC situation. I just went thru Hellenbach for a couple weeks chasing the ghost out of the Harley. I got it done but it was insane. Did some stuff I'm not proud of....in 40 yrs of wrenching, this was one of the toughest, weirdest, elusive and randomly intermittent electrical issues I've ever seen. I'd like to say I'm a better man for seeing it thru, but I think I'm just an older man...
Anyways, point is I'll Try to help ya out if you need me.

McDave

[Tommy B]

Thank you. I believe I have found it.
More info in an hour or so. Got to go to work