HALLMARK 6X12 CONVERSION

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Re: HALLMARK 6X12 CONVERSION

Postby Tommy B » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:09 pm

A big thank you to Don. Look at this massive tank he gave me. I took off the sensor wires and scrubbed her up and pressure cleaned the inside as best I could. It is spotless inside and the way it is designed is how it sets there. I found a few more pics of my inside while in full user mode. Only to emphasize the small quarters of a 6x12. I want to camp and ride more than ever. That tank is full and I will install left and right wood blocks to further help in stability.
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Re: HALLMARK 6X12 CONVERSION

Postby Tommy B » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:13 pm

My best Christmas present. On my must have list. Again thank you Don.
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Re: HALLMARK 6X12 CONVERSION

Postby flboy » Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:22 pm

Tommy B wrote:My best Christmas present. On my must have list. Again thank you Don.



Your welcome Tom. That cleaned up well. So glad someone could use it... You can take longer showers now!
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YouTube Video of Finished 6x12 Trailer:
https://youtu.be/6_-8cVdWUIA
YouTube Video of 7*18 with 2ft V-nose Trailer:
https://youtu.be/MUcMM86LA2g
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Re: HALLMARK 6X12 CONVERSION

Postby Tommy B » Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:39 pm

Hey this gravity feed is not going so well. If you plan on refilling your main tank form an external tank, your refill tank must be higher than your main tank. No exceptions, not even an inch it seems. Of course this is commonsense but I thought I would have some leeway do to syphon pull action. At this time It looks like I would have to fill these 7 gallon jugs like this and then lift them up to the fill port. I tried to do it a few ways but no. It would only flow hard when the hose was lower than the truck bed. Any thoughts guys? It is still very doable but labor intense for an old man. I'm thinking a small pump like for my bait well in the boat. Will not be used too much.
Help! :thinking: :thinking:
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Re: HALLMARK 6X12 CONVERSION

Postby flboy » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:06 pm

Tom.. I have an idea. They make water transfer pumps you can connect to that garden water hose and you drive it with an electric drill. That will eliminate the extra step. The pumps are cheap ($13.99) at Tractor Supply and you probably already have the battery powered drill.

http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/produc ... AgvS8P8HAQ

Here's one on Amazon for less than $5.00.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00ZTRKN ... ref=plSrch


Either of those will do the job to transfer water from the auxiliary tank to your main holding tank. @ 225 Gallons per Hour (Amazon Pump) that turns out to be about 3.75 Gallons per minute. It will take about 5 minutes to fill your 20 Gal tank from the ~35 gallon auxiliary tank..

I actually just ordered the one from Amazon for $4.79 delivered in 2 days. That would be nice to keep in the drawer in the trailer for emergencies...

Btw.. before you do the drill pump, try putting the hose in the filler neck and pushing it to the bottom of the tank and syphon from there. The rise and drop is what is going to keep the water flowing and create the suction.


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YouTube Video of Finished 6x12 Trailer:
https://youtu.be/6_-8cVdWUIA
YouTube Video of 7*18 with 2ft V-nose Trailer:
https://youtu.be/MUcMM86LA2g
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Re: HALLMARK 6X12 CONVERSION

Postby McDave » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:24 pm

Hey Tommy,
Try this, locate the vent hose for main tank. If you can pinch it or plug it, and then make the hose from the aux tank fit the filler tube for main air tight it will draw from aux to replace water as you use.
Or, run that vent line straight out front and connect to aux tank. Same theory, as water is used it will draw from aux if the filler cap on main is air tight. In any case the aux must be vented at top and supply at bottom. That should give you pretty good pressure right there. Use 1/2" hose.
Or, put a tee and then a valve on the suction side of pump and run out the front. Connect to aux supply and open valve. It should draw from aux first since it is higher. then close valve to draw from main.
Or, you could pressurize aux tank slightly with air to push the water into main?
I would try to connect to the main vent line first, the suction may be all you need to keep the main filled all the time. And you don't need aux, the main set up remains the same.

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Re: HALLMARK 6X12 CONVERSION

Postby Tommy B » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:33 am

YES YES on the drill pump. Simple and easy. I don't have a battery drill but have always wanted one. Since I have just purchased the ball valve hose fittings this will be EASY PEASEY as Mcdave would say. Hot dog! And hot showers. :D

Mcdave what you said is really fascinating and how did you figure that out? I thought it through and If I was stationary/long term I would attempt that. The drill is too easy to pass up though.

Thank you both for the help. You guys are awesome! :thumbsup:

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Re: HALLMARK 6X12 CONVERSION

Postby flboy » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:41 am

If the drill is just for the pump, you can pick up a cheap Harbor Frieght drill for about $18
00. It should do that job.
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YouTube Video of Finished 6x12 Trailer:
https://youtu.be/6_-8cVdWUIA
YouTube Video of 7*18 with 2ft V-nose Trailer:
https://youtu.be/MUcMM86LA2g
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Re: HALLMARK 6X12 CONVERSION

Postby Tommy B » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:20 am

Hey I was reading the reviews on that drill pump. Someone mentioned that the shorter the hose the better. Like 2 feet or less. There is a video actually of the thing in use. Now before I try that I was thinking of using this set up somehow.
That converter is just saw dusty as it has been under the bench unused for ever. I will vacuum and clean it up of course. That pump is AC as you can see. If I can get inlet and out let fittings that that will accommodate a garden hose on each end that should work. Maybe mount both pump and converter on 3/4 plywood. Say one foot by one foot square with a handle. Place on tail gate. Hook up convertor to battery (NEED CLIPS ON BATTERY SIDE) and plug it in.

Problems??
Will it suck or collapse the hose on the inlet side due to too much suction?
Will that ball valve connected to the tank out let restrict the pull from the pump?

Anybody see anything here that could go bad?
I just happen to have all this other than the battery clips.
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Re: HALLMARK 6X12 CONVERSION

Postby flboy » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:24 am

The length limitation is for the input I believe
. It can push the water a long ways.
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YouTube Video of Finished 6x12 Trailer:
https://youtu.be/6_-8cVdWUIA
YouTube Video of 7*18 with 2ft V-nose Trailer:
https://youtu.be/MUcMM86LA2g
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Re: HALLMARK 6X12 CONVERSION

Postby McDave » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:37 pm

Hey Tommy,
If you remove volume from a container, something will want to fill it. "Nature abhors a vacuum" is the old saying. Normally air would rush in because the pressure would be greater outside tank. There is normally 1 atmosphere or 14.7 psi at your altitude surrounding everything. If either tank is vented air will replace the water at 14.7 psi. If tank is not vented the atmospheric pressure in the tank becomes lower than the atmosphere surrounding it, the outside pressure will actually hold the water in. That is known as the "thumb over the end of the straw effect". You can lift water out of a glass by holding your thumb over the end of a straw. Because your not letting air in, the pressure is lower than 1 atmosphere in the straw, so the air surrounding it will hold it in. If the two tanks are connected and only have a vent on aux, when water is removed from main, water from aux will be pushed in at 14.7 psi. . If there are no vents, eventually the pump wont be strong enough to pull the water and the tanks or hoses would start to collapse because the air outside will be pushing on it at 14.7 and the inside would effectively be at a higher altitude or less psi. Denver is at 11.5 psi at about 60f. You are a diver so you know the pressure associated with depth. It works in reverse with altitude. As a pilot we have to pressurize above 10,000ft to force O2 into the lungs and bloodstream of people who live at lower alts. or they become winded and tired and CO2 saturated. However when folks from Telluride go to Disneyworld they are a little goofy and high from all the O2 being forced in at 14.7 vs 11.0 psi... The effect is more pronounced on your engine, more psi O2= more horsepower
But I digress, and ramble. Anyways, just for shits and giggles, take the vent line from main and connect to supply or drain at bottom of aux and then vent aux. Pump or drain main and watch aux level go down. It will help if main fill cap is air tight but the water is dense and heavy and should displace or compress the air. If (when) it works, you could just mount vent line to go outside front wall and just use a barbed fitting when you want to connect aux. On a different note, that is the first time I have seen the filler inside the trailer. Is that a security deal so the non-desirables won't pee in your tank? Also, I don't see a bib for city water hook-up. Outside?

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Hey, I just saw post on ac pump and inverter.That would easily do it if inverter has enough amps to power pump and pump actually works. It's worth a try. Sometimes even a blind hog will find a truffle. It might be your turn to get lucky.
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Re: HALLMARK 6X12 CONVERSION

Postby McDave » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:56 pm

Does that say 1000 watt continuous, 2,000 peak? Damn son, I'd be puttin' that in trailer anyways. The ability to produce
110 ac on site could be very handy. If you do mount it, 10ga wire as close to battery as possible, wired direct to battery. It should have it's own fuse or breaker built in.
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Re: HALLMARK 6X12 CONVERSION

Postby flboy » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:19 pm

Hi Tom. That pump and 115 vac would definitely do it. Seems like too much just to transfer water however.

My drill pump will be here Wednesday. If you want to try it out , you can borrow it and my electric drill to see what it will do. No risk to buying anything if it doesn't do the job. Honestly, I'd like to know also for my future boondocking plans.
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YouTube Video of Finished 6x12 Trailer:
https://youtu.be/6_-8cVdWUIA
YouTube Video of 7*18 with 2ft V-nose Trailer:
https://youtu.be/MUcMM86LA2g
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Re: HALLMARK 6X12 CONVERSION

Postby hankaye » Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:23 pm

Howdy All;

Long time ago (1980's), I used one of those drill mounted pumps to drain a waterbed. Ran fine
until it cavitated (got some air in it), lesson learned (in my case), was to keep it wet once it
gets going or the innards will melt. Nowadays they may be have heartier nylon innards ... I did
allow the water to cool first. In case you may have thought it might be the warmer water.
Keepin' fingers x'ed hop it works for ya.

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Re: HALLMARK 6X12 CONVERSION

Postby Tommy B » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:28 pm

Mcdave I am hesitant to alter lines at his time but that is really interesting and I am still amazed at what you said. Quick disconnects would ease my concern as barbs are bitches to connect let alone disconnect. You must be a physics professor or something. Maybe in the witness protection program! :lol:
Yes that invertor says 1000 watts. I used it once to run a 12 inch oscillating heat lamp one time camping. I totally used up the full charge in a marine battery in about 5 hours and then it sounded an alarm so I shut it off. it was like 28 degrees if I remember correctly. It works well and I may mount it inside permanently now.

Don I got the feeling from the reviews and video on that drill pump that it was weak and cheap in construction. Some said it failed after the first use. Similar to what hank said. I need absolute dependability and speed would be a bonus. I will first try the AC pump and invertor set up as I am very curios. Plus it will only take two pump fittings and one additional hose. I actually have an older marine battery that will work for this. No terminal clips needed. If this doesn't work or is too much trouble I would like to try your drill operated pump.
I got this!
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