You may not want to hear this song.

[madjack]

I haven't listened to the song because I just plain didn't wanna hear it...my only point was to remind everyone, to keep in mind the others point of view when posting...that is all
madjack

[Miriam C.]

They'll be plenty of time for us to solve the World's problems over martinis, coffee, or cold sodas at North Meet South Rally next week.

Tom and all.
Wish I could be there. I can't so--- Having grown up in an era where just about all music had a political and/or religous message I don't see the problem.

We used to understand that the danger in this country was people who forced others to not share thier culture or music or beliefs, or long hair----> Remember "Long haired hippy people need not apply" My mother called it radical, but never forbid me to listen. She understood the true meaning of freedom.

Dale shared a song that touched his heart. Why can't that be left for what it is?

Why the need for anger and critisism?

Why does anyone need to slam a religous group because Dale shared a song?

Our founding fathers intended exactly what they got. a People who believe they should be free to be religious or not. They didn't say which religion. And please, lets not pretend they didn't know the difference. They believed that a free society would preserve the right to choose and protect those who did and didn't.

I hope they were right!
Peace
Miriam

[Kurt (Indiana)]

I just listened to the song again. It sends a clear political message in addition to expressing a religious sentiment. On any other forum Dale's post would've ignited a full-blown flame war.


They'll be plenty of time for us to solve the World's problems over martinis, coffee, or cold sodas at North Meet South Rally next week.

Tom, I, too listened again and concluded (right or wrong ) that the mention of the Bible is the driving force behind the controversy here. If it had been "good book" would it have made a difference. I though that all religions have a "God" and that we all have allegiance to a God. If this true, I don't see and issue. Call me crazy (religiously naive) but I just don't get it.
It's still a free country and we are free to interpret things the way we wish, but, seriously, we're all Americans (well almost). I don't see an issue. I like the content and meaning of the song and compare it to other legendary songs about God ( no matter what God) and America.

Sounds like music is still the binding force of the world. (Bluesville)
Comments welcomed.

BTW, I wish I were going to the North meets South Gathering but schedules didn't work out. Some day I'll meet some of you guys and Gals, and we can solve a lot of the world's problems and enjoy life together ( over some good food, good friends and cold beverages). I'll take Boubon and Coke (or anything and coke) but the martinis make me solve the problems too fast. By morning, I can't remember te problem. Maybe good old camaraderie is the driving force after all!

Kurt

[GeorgeTelford]

Hi all

I was not going to comment at all, especially after Tom and Ira expressed it so well.

Having god in the pledge marginalises many Loyal Americans, to take the pledge means they then have to disrespect their own beliefs.

The strange thing is that that song is the most unpatriotic song possible, because the song goes against everything America was meant to stand for, suddenly patriotic Americans would be forced into making a religious statement and this is expressly against the first amendment

[Larwyn]

What's the big deal folks. We have a group of performers presenting a song quoting what is written on the back of ever dollar bill, in hopes of collecting as many of those dollar bills as possable for doing so.

Dale and others liked the song, maybe the message. Others took offese at the message. I personally had a hard time listening all the way through because I did not like the sound all that much, the message was hard to "get" due to me simply wanting the whole performance to end.

I do not think Dale had any intention of changing anyones views one way or the other. He simply wanted to share a song that he likes with his friends here on the forum, and I thank him for that. We are all a little different from one another and I, for one, damn well intend to stay that way.........

[TomS]

I hope this post will clarify things.

I'm not slamming Dale or anyone's religious beliefs. Nor, do I wish to restrict anyone's freedom.

The basic premise of that song is that is good and apropriate for goverment officials to issue religious proclamations "from the courthouse to the school house." I strongly disagree with that view.

The Bill of Rights is intended to restrict government, not individuals or religious groups. For example, the Ten Commandements are perfectly appropriate on church lawns, or anyone's front lawn for example. However, they do not belong on the courthouse steps because that constitutes a government endorsement of a specific religious view.

Government involvement in religious matters is extremely dangerous to freedom. Iran and Afghanistan under the Taliban are examples of what happens when government gets involved with religion. The founding fathers knew it.

[cracker39]

Great Scott!!! Look what I started, and I didn't intend to inflame anyone.

I guess I'm lot different that some of you who protested this song's "message".

First, I'm not a religious nut. I grew up going to church, but as a teen, I learned to think for myself as to what religions are all about. Ira mentioned that old Ben joined churches for business reasons, and maybe he did or didn't...I don't know. As a teen, I learned that most churches (i.e. demoninations) themselves are businesses, and managed as such. When a particularly harsh example of that presented itself, and my church lost a great pastor for "business" reasons (the deacons who fired him were blatant hypocrites themselves), I quit going to church.

I'd probably call myself an agnostic. I view the bible as a great book and history lesson, but don't believe that every word of it is necessarily historically accurate or factual. After all, it was written (put on paper that is) centuries after Jesus lived.

You know what an agnostic is don't you? That's someone who would call themselves an athiest, but they're afraid that if they do, God will send a bolt of lightning to strike them dead. (Th-Th-That's a joke, son).

However, I don't care if you express your political, religious or non-religious views as they don't bother me, nor do I take offense if you believe something that I don't or vice versa. And, I think it's silly of you who have to come back with your own blasting of my post just because you think you may believe differently than I do.

I really liked the patriotic aspect of the song, not so much the religious aspect. I can separate the two and still enjoy the recording. I can separate the fact that you may not believe as I do, and still consider you my friend. I can read your post and understand how you feel without getting bent out of shape because of your feelings or beliefs.

In the future, I'll refrain from posting anything that smacks of patriotism, religion, or politics. But, since I've done my venting, I'll be surprised if this thread last long enough for you to read this posting.

[GeorgeTelford]

Hi all

A few people seem to see no harm in "in god we trust" But would they be happy if the pledge said

"In Bhudda we trust"

"In Gd we trust"

"In Yahweh we trust"

"In Ehyeh we trust"

"In Hashem we trust"

"In Bhudda we trust"

"In Allah we trust"

This list could go on and on, but adding any religion to the Goverment or patriotic statement is the exact opposite of the freedom that the country stands for.

[subtearanean]

Why not a simple "In each other we trust".

'Course, I was raised as a Secular Humanist......

[Miriam C.]

Why not a simple "In each other we trust".

Maybe cause there are so many "we's out there who want to bully people who don't think like them.

Congratulations Dale,
A bully pulpit is a bully pulpit. The message doesn't change the intent. Please don't allow critisisms keep you from sharing what you enjoy with the rest of us.

Then there are the trols out there.
Miriam

[TomS]

Dale, we seem to have a lot in common when it comes to religious matters. I feel the same way about organized religion. We just saw different themes in that song. That's all. And please, don't feel you have to censor yourself on my account.

I think this horse is dead. Waddya say we bury it before it stinks up the joint.

[Chris C]

I've been reading in interest and not getting involved. I don't understand why there has to be disagreement concerning religion, politics or sex on a forum devoted to teardrop trailers.............even in the Off Topic section. So I, for one, second Tom's recommendation that enough is enough.

[bsandey]

I've been reading in interest and not getting involved. I don't understand why there has to be disagreement concerning religion, politics or sex on a forum devoted to teardrop trailers.............even in the Off Topic section. So I, for one, second Tom's recommendation that enough is enough.

Everyone has their own opinion. I was on a different forum that was related to exercise and diet, and there was a HUGE thread (over 70 pages) on religion there. It did at one point get very heated. There were a few regulars that you never heard from again after that.

Me, I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion and belief. I find other peoples belief interesting, especially if they differ from mine.

[engled]

Then there are the trols out there.
Miriam

Every Forum has them, we have more than our share.

I really wish people could be more tolerant of my intolerance...

/Agnostic
//Proudly served in the armed forces during war
///Will hold the crowd off of you while you burn the flag (your right)
////Voted for Bush twice and will vote for Jeb if he runs

[GeorgeTelford]

Hi Bill

I dont think there is any anti religion sentiment expressed by anyone, only that religion (any religion) should not in anyway be tied in with goverment or the pledge (which is what the song is about, there is even a petition on that site asking people to ask the goverment to tie God (christian's only) back into the pledge) They mistakenly assume that it was always in there when in fact the founding fathers were totally against religion being tied in to goverment on any way. (many Americans also misunderstand what the founding fathers were saying when they wrote it up)

I think the Constitution of the United States is a fantastic work and its a shame that some people want to undo it