Voltage Regulator for DC Fuse Block

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Re: Voltage Regulator for DC Fuse Block

Postby Tom&Shelly » Mon May 27, 2024 5:41 pm

foxontherun wrote:Below is a snip from when I did an initial test using shore power; you are pretty much on the money if I did my calc correctly. I thought I had some data from where it ran for long periods but can't find it at the moment.

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Post by foxontherun » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:42 pm
I have completed the construction of the AC test and ran the initial 6 hour test today. Temp in trailer at start was 93 degrees with 48% humidity; west side of trailer in the sun all afternoon. AC is temporarily built into the side door on the east side of trailer which receives sun until early afternoon. Test was from 2 PM to 8 PM. AC used 3.35 KWH, startup was 4.3 amps if I read meter correctly. The interior temperature was 64 degrees 45% humidity at the end of the test. I was impressed with how cold it was in the trailer. I didn't think it would get that cold in such a short time with the trailer in the sun all afternoon.


Just a caution: 3.35 kWhr = 3350 Watt*hours. Divide that by 6 hours and you have 558 Watts, which sounds like it's in the ballpark. Divide that by 120 vac and you have 4.65 amps, so the 4.3 amps sounds about right. But if you run that on a 12 volt battery, the battery will have to supply ten times that much, about 46.5 amps, ignoring the inefficiencies of the inverter. Can the battery even supply that much? How big is your battery and how long do you want to run the AC? I didn't look closely at the rest of the thread, but be sure your wiring and interfaces up to the inverter can handle that current!

Generally, folks have done the calculations and decided it's not practical to run a conventional AC off of the size batteries most of us have in our teardrops. (Bruce has a van built around his electrical system, so that's different.)

Don't want to sound discouraging, but don't want you to get into dangerous or costly trouble either.

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Re: Voltage Regulator for DC Fuse Block

Postby foxontherun » Mon May 27, 2024 10:15 pm

Tom, my plan is to only run the A/C on battery just to cool the trailer down; it usually only takes 1-2 hours to do that on shore power. I don't plan on it staying on when using the batteries. Once I get trailer cooled down, the two maxxair fans do a pretty good job of keeping the trailer cool. Trailer is also insulated well (2" walls, 2-1/2" floor, and between 3 and 4 inches in the roof).

I have 600 amp hours of battery (Lifepo4). Battery cables are 1/0 GA, inverter cables are 2 GA, and the circuit going to A/C is 12 GA. The inverter sits just above the battery bank and from the inverter to the A/C is maybe 15 feet tops. My build is a 7x16 cargo trailer. Hope that addresses the concerns you mentioned. I appreciate all input. Definitely want to be safe.

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Re: Voltage Regulator for DC Fuse Block

Postby Tom&Shelly » Tue May 28, 2024 7:27 am

foxontherun wrote:Tom, my plan is to only run the A/C on battery just to cool the trailer down; it usually only takes 1-2 hours to do that on shore power. I don't plan on it staying on when using the batteries. Once I get trailer cooled down, the two maxxair fans do a pretty good job of keeping the trailer cool. Trailer is also insulated well (2" walls, 2-1/2" floor, and between 3 and 4 inches in the roof).

I have 600 amp hours of battery (Lifepo4). Battery cables are 1/0 GA, inverter cables are 2 GA, and the circuit going to A/C is 12 GA. The inverter sits just above the battery bank and from the inverter to the A/C is maybe 15 feet tops. My build is a 7x16 cargo trailer. Hope that addresses the concerns you mentioned. I appreciate all input. Definitely want to be safe.

Harry :)
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OK, It sounds like you have it thought through, and engineered it so that it will work. :thumbsup:

Good luck, and it will be interesting to hear how it comes out.

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Re: Voltage Regulator for DC Fuse Block

Postby foxontherun » Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:26 pm

bdosborn wrote:Finally, my wife has a CPAP that we run off the manufacturers 12V cigarette lighter plug without a regulator and no issues (so far) :worship:
Bruce

Good morning Bruce,
Is the voltage on your cigarette lighter port she is using for the CPAP whatever voltage your battery bank is? My cigarette lighter port voltage for the CPAP will show whatever voltage my battery bank is at; for example, yesterday before starting the charge cycle my batteries were at 12.91V; my CPAP DC adapter cord showed 12.91 would be going into the CPAP. Today after fully charged battery bank at 13.6 that number is 13.6 on the adapter cord. My Cpap specs are DC 12v; shouldn't the output on that adapter be 12v instead of the value of battery bank? Wondering if my CPAP DC Adapter cord is defective or if I just need to put a regulator in to reduce that port down to 12v.

This is the Cpap DC adapter I just bought last month: https://www.directhomemedical.com/10019 ... -cpap.html
Picture of my AC to DC power block for the cpap:
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Re: Voltage Regulator for DC Fuse Block

Postby bdosborn » Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:46 pm

12V is the nominal voltage of the CPAP. Any device that is setup to run from a cigarette lighter is rated for a range of voltages as the manufacturer knows that the voltage varies a lot in a vehicle. The van battery varies from 12V up to 14V, depending on its state of charge and if the battery is being charged. No problems to date for our CPAP. I get your concern though, CPAPs are expensive! It wouldn't be a terrible thing to add a voltage regulator if it gives you peace of mind. But my guess is the CPAP has a built in voltage regulator.
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P.S. That DC plug looks like the one we have.
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Re: Voltage Regulator for DC Fuse Block

Postby foxontherun » Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:55 pm

Thanks Bruce; I think for peace of mind I will put a regulator in as the machine I have is around ten years old and I prefer to use it over the Dreamstation that I use in the house. I may order this regulator for it: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018WZK5XQ/?c ... _lig_dp_it

Appreciate your help. :)
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