Comedy...or is it?

[Joseph]

The time to become gay is "before" you get married. That saves you the trouble of child support and lawyers.

And the time to become a Democrat was before FDR. In both cases, the moment has passed...

Joseph

[Joseph]

Huge money is made during reconstruction after war. Too many of Bush's buddies have ties to these contractors who have "no bid contracts." We read about the corruption that is going on, but imagine the stuff that we do not read about.

Halliburton again. Why are they "Bush's buddies" when their "no-bid" (actually LOGCAP) contract was awarded under Clinton? Don't confuse LOGCAP with "no-bid." Google LOGCAP if you don't know what it is, I won't take up space with it here.

The situation of the war in Iraq is similar to buying a TD built in 1947 and abandoned, then trying to restore it with nothing but a hammer, 6 nails, and roll of aluminum flashing. It can be done, but why?

Good point. Why worry about anything other than America and Americans? Bring in our troops home, not just from Iraq, but from all over the world. Put them to work properly defending our borders. Screw the rest of the world, they're not our problem.

Yeah, great idea.

Joseph

[Joseph]

I had a wild thought last week: They say that if iraq goes out of control that it will drag seria and iran into a regional conflict. I was wondering .... is that really that bad of an outcome???

Yes. Ever read Tolkien's Lord of the Rings? Someone questioned whether it would be a bad thing if Saruman and Sauron slugged it out, to which Gandalf replied, "The victor would emerge stronger than either, and free from doubt." That applies even more to the Middle East.

Joseph

[lanego]

.............Molasses.............

[wolfix]

I had a wild thought last week: They say that if iraq goes out of control that it will drag seria and iran into a regional conflict. I was wondering .... is that really that bad of an outcome???

Yes. Ever read Tolkien's Lord of the Rings? Someone questioned whether it would be a bad thing if Saruman and Sauron slugged it out, to which Gandalf replied, "The victor would emerge stronger than either, and free from doubt." That applies even more to the Middle East.

Joseph

If we walk away from Irag......Sell your TD's. You will not be able to afford the gas to pull them. Iran will control a large percentage of the oil.

Cheap oil????? We had it. The best thing that could have happened is that Iraq and Iran feared each other.

Ever notice that when the oil prices went high this past season that oil companies hit all time profit records? Makes you think a oil man is in charge.

We are now approaching more American deaths in Iraq then we had on 9/11.......

I swear to God Bush is making me a liberal. I do see old skool Republicans bailing on the Bush Administration. Bush has destroyed everything Reagan did to bring the Republican Party to where it as when Bush took over.

[Spadinator]

Although the deaths in Iraq continue to rise and it is a great hardship on the American people and their families.............we lost 3000 American lives in one day on December 7th 1941 and although still a tragedy and unnecesary loss of life it rallied or people back home to support the war effort......why is it different today.

[Joseph]

Although the deaths in Iraq continue to rise and it is a great hardship on the American people and their families.............we lost 3000 American lives in one day on December 7th 1941 and although still a tragedy and unnecesary loss of life it rallied or people back home to support the war effort......why is it different today.

Because the anti-American Left controls Hollywood and the Mainstream Media. Can you imagine a Donald Duck cartoon today similar to the anti-Hitler one back in the early 40s?

Me neither.

Joseph

[wolfix]

The attack in 1941 was a direct attack and a declaration of war upon us.

Iraq is complex. The latest Intelligence Report submitted to Congress did not connect Iraq to 9/11. The 9/11 terrorists are in Afghanistan. We now know we jumped into Iraq under bad info concerning WMD. The idea of "installing democracy" in another country is rather arrogant.

What we have going on over there is a muddle*****. And I believe when we are going to lose even one good American soldier we better know what we are there for. Those boys over there are our children and our neighbors.

I was about 2 years too young for Nam. But I lost several good friends from the neighborhood. A trip to the wall in DC should be mandatory for every American citizen. Every name on that wall had a family that lost something.

People think it is patriotic to back our government when a "war cry" goes out. I totally disagree. It is far more patriotic to question our leaders as to why we must go to war.

The American people are not behind this war effort. It is not even close. And that crap about not supporting the troops if you question the war is another way the politicians play the people........

The attack in 1941 that provoked war was fully supported by the people.

[wolfix]

Although the deaths in Iraq continue to rise and it is a great hardship on the American people and their families.............we lost 3000 American lives in one day on December 7th 1941 and although still a tragedy and unnecesary loss of life it rallied or people back home to support the war effort......why is it different today.

Because the anti-American Left controls Hollywood and the Mainstream Media. Can you imagine a Donald Duck cartoon today similar to the anti-Hitler one back in the early 40s?

Me neither.

Joseph

Just an interesting piece of trivia.... Disney had government contracts to produce war films... But after WW2, our government brought some of the Nazi writers that wrote for Hitler over to Disney. These ex-Nazi writers wrote many of the films that we watched in school in the 1950's and early 1960's.

[Spadinator]

I agree it is a Muddle------ over there but, the main problem in MY opinion is the politicians. They are doing the same thing they did in Vietnam. They are NOT letting the military fight the war. We WERE attacked....... although you could justifiably question our presence in Iraq, Sadam is a tyrant the same as Hitler was. His removal was essential, again in MY opinion. If the politicians would let the military fight the way they need to in the same manner the insurgents are we would have been done along time ago. If your team gets attacked by a rocket from a building...instead of sending in the troops to find that person...level the building and all inside. Precision bombing is awesome but carpet bombing is a very effective deterrent to those who allow the insurgents to hide in their homes.

Go ahead and flame now.......these are my own opinions.

[wolfix]

Politicians are a problem in many aspects of life.. lol. You are so correct, if we send our military, let the military do their job.

I think the problem we see in Iraq, as in Nam, is that even if we do eliminate the insurgents, we have other groups that want to try and grab power. Kinda like that "never ending story." Sometimes we just have to let things run the course. Saddam kept the middle east stable. That was in the best interest for the USA. Bush has de-stabilized it.
And Bush has the world turning away from America. America is viewed the same as the Soviet Union was viewed in the 60's and 70's. And the world opinion does matter.

The WMD that Saddam was supposed to have did not present any danger to the USA. They would have been years away from being able to launch something over a few hundred miles.

But the Bush people got the American people all riled up with the "WMD" talk..... They mislead us. And when we look at who is profiteering from the Iraq war, look to Haliburton. Then look to who it connects to the Bush Administration. Haliburton has "no bid " contracts. Think about that as taxpayers.

Saddam was a dictator. But there so many wrongs going on in the world, where do we begin?

[Spadinator]

They mislead us.

100% agree....I would love to see our troops come home to their families just a much as any one else would. but the danger comes in backing out now. As unstable as Iraq and the Middle East are now I don't believe things would get better by leaving. You don't have to support the war effort but please support the troops. My Grandfather was a tailgunner in a B-17 and flew 25 missions, my father is a Vietnam Veteran, my Uncle, my Brother and I were all part of Desert Storm in 1990-1991. As long as our troops are in conflict no matter if I or the public believe it is justified I will ALWAYS support their efforts.

In WWII the US lost as many a 5000 troops in a single campaign but this did not deter the American public. The losses we continue to suffer in Iraq and Afganistan are significantly less but still just as devastating to the public and their families. But let it not deter us from supporting them!!

[wolfix]

They mislead us.

As long as our troops are in conflict no matter if I or the public believe it is justified I will ALWAYS support their efforts.

In WWII the US lost as many a 5000 troops in a single campaign but this did not deter the American public. The losses we continue to suffer in Iraq and Afganistan are significantly less but still just as devastating to the public and their families. But let it not deter us from supporting them!!

And I believe the American public has done that. Even the anti-war protesters seem to be able to separate the effort of the troops from the politicians agenda who are suspect.
We have a whole different attitude in this country towards the troops then what was shown in Viet-Nam.

But outrage has to be felt when we read how the troops are short handed over there. These boys are there with full trust of their leaders then they realize that something is not quite right.

I worked around a university campus over the last few years. The boys that come home are received very well by everyone.

[Spadinator]

But outrage has to be felt when we read how the troops are short handed over there. These boys are there with full trust of their leaders then they realize that something is not quite right.

And that is why the politicians need to be left out of it. Turn it over to the commanders and let them finish the job and bring our troops home. Stop playing footsie with these insurgents and END IT!

[Kevin A]

Saddam kept the middle east stable. That was in the best interest for the USA. Bush has de-stabilized it.

Perhaps (perhaps not) but at what cost to his own people? A life of suffering and torture? We've all heard the horror stories coming out of Iraq during this tyrant's reign of terror. Has the media so de-sensitized our country that we are willing to forget these attrocities? Using your logic, one could claim that Adolf Hitler "stabilized" all of Europe.

And Bush has the world turning away from America. America is viewed the same as the Soviet Union was viewed in the 60's and 70's. And the world opinion does matter.

For what reason? For enforcing the countless United Nations resolutions poised against Iraq? Might we remember that the United Nations is comprised of a large number of different countries who all had reasons to believe that Iraq did possess WMD's

The WMD that Saddam was supposed to have did not present any danger to the USA. They would have been years away from being able to launch something over a few hundred miles.

Apparently the United Nations did not agree with this logic when they voted on the numerous resolutions and sanctions against Iraq. Many of those nations did indeed feel a threat against them coming out of Iraq.

But the Bush people got the American people all riled up with the "WMD" talk..... They mislead us.

Again, the WMD issue started with the United Nations prior to George Bush taking office. In fact, Bill Clinton was in office during the application of the majority of these resolutions.