Saddam Hussein says Happy New Year

[Miriam C.]

Heikki,
Wait till the WTO takes full control.

[Classic Finn]

Heikki,
Wait till the WTO takes full control.

Miriam

Wait till we have a full NWO.... that is the direction its going to and fast...Hmmm a symbolic triangle with the eye on top.

Have you seen this someplace? With the WTO we will be marked in order to trade or purchase...What mark? Has this been quoted someplace before?

Classic Finn

PS Why is speaking of teardrops and building galley hatches more than once so much more easier and friendlier than this worldly politics

[angib]

Ira,

Perhaps the list of executions in 2005 by country will give you some idea of what happens outside your borders:

1. China 1,770 (but probably much, much more)
2. Iran 94
3. Saudi Arabia 86
4. USA 60
5. Pakistan 31
6. Yemen 24
7. Vietnam 21
8. Jordan 11
9. Mongolia 8
10. Singapore 6

You must be proud to figure so well in a list of such respected countries.

Andrew

[Classic Finn]

Here you go on Finland...

Finland abolished the death penalty for ordinary crimes in 1949, and for all crimes in 1972. The Constitution of Finland in Section 6, states: "Everyone shall have the right to life and personal liberty, physical integrity and security of person. No one shall be sentenced to death, tortured or otherwise treated in a degrading manner."
The last execution in Finland was carried out in 1994.
On November 29, 2004, Finland ratified Protocol No 13 to the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms banning the death penalty in all circumstances. It entered into force on March 1, 2005. Finland co-sponsored and voted for the resolution on the death penalty approved by the UN Commission on Human Rights on April 20, 2005.


Classic Finn

[Classic Finn]

Here is Sweden

Sweden abolished capital punishment for ordinary crimes in 1921 and has been abolitionist for all crimes since 1972.

Sweden abolished capital punishment for ordinary crimes in 1921 and has been abolitionist for all crimes since 1972. The last execution was carried out in 1910.
On April 22, 2003 Sweden deposited with the Council of Europe the instrument of ratification of Protocol No 13 to the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms banning the death penalty in all circumstances. Like its European Union partners, it refuses to send prisoners to countries where they could face the death penalty. Sweden co-sponsored the resolution on the death penalty approved by the UN Commission on Human Rights on April 20, 2005.


Classic Finn

[Classic Finn]

And Here is England

The United Kingdom abolished the death penalty for murder on December 18...

The United Kingdom abolished the death penalty for murder on December 18, 1969 when both Houses of Parliament voted to remove a clause in the Murder Act 1965 restricting the abolition of the death penalty to five years. In 1861, murder had become the only offence for which the death penalty was used in peacetime.
Attempts to abolish the death penalty in Britain had been made since at least 1808, but each initiative was stalled at various stages of the legislative process. That said, even by 1861, there were only four civilian crimes — murder, treason, arson in royal dockyards, and piracy with violence — that were punishable by death.
The Crime and Disorder Act 1998 abolished the last remaining capital offences of treason and piracy with violence. The Human Rights Act 1998 replaced the death penalty with a life sentence in Armed Forces legislation.
The Armed Forces Act 2001 abolished the death penalty for Service offences regardless of the circumstances.
On October 10, 2003 United Kingdom deposited with the Council of Europe the instrument of ratification of Protocol No 13 to the European Convention on Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms banning the death penalty in all circumstances.
There were 865 executions in Britain during the first 64 years of the 20th century. Of these executions, 830 were executed for murder, 25 for spying (mainly during World War I), four for treason, including the infamous Lord Haw Haw, and six for rape; only 16 women were executed.
In 1955, Ruth Ellis, 28, became the last woman to be hanged in UK.
The last executions in Britain were of two men on August 13, 1964. Peter Anthony Allen, aged 21, was hanged in Walton Gaol, Liverpool, and Gwynne Owen Evans, aged 24, was hanged in Strangeways, Manchester. They were both convicted of the murder of John Alan West, while robbing him in his house on April 7, 1964.
The last British soldier to be executed for a military offence was a private in 1942 after he fought for the Nazis. During the First World War, 307 soldiers were shot for cowardice.
Since hanging was abolished in 1965, British MPs have regularly debated the reintroduction of capital punishment. In the last vote on the death penalty in 1994, the House of Commons voted 403 to 159 against reintroduction. A similar move was defeated in 1990 by 185 votes, while the majority against in 1983 was 170.
In December 2001, Parliament approved the Anti-Terrorism, Security and Crime Bill. This emergency legislation followed the September 11 attacks on the US and allows the Home Secretary to detain indefinitely without trial foreign nationals suspected of terrorism who cannot be deported under the Human Rights Act because they may face the death penalty, torture or degrading treatment.
United Kingdom co-sponsored and voted for the resolution on the death penalty approved by the UN Commission on Human Rights on April 20, 2005.

[Classic Finn]

And here Ira is your favorite... France... Now I wont even state as to why Germany isnt on the rating list..as if they dont have a bad reputation already so now they act as if they are pure abolishing the death penalty. but the French like to chop heads instead of stretching necks..

The death penalty was abolished in France on September 9, 1981, mainly through the efforts of then Socialist Justice Minister, Robert Badinter.

The death penalty was abolished in France on September 9, 1981, mainly through the efforts of then Socialist Justice Minister, Robert Badinter. Like its European Union partners, it refuses to send prisoners to countries where they could face the death penalty.
The last public execution by guillotine was carried out on June 17, 1939. Eugene Weidmann was executed before a large crowd in Versailles. France then banned public executions, confining them to a prison courtyard, where they continued until 1977. The last non- public use of the guillotine took place at Baumetes Prison, in Marseilles, on September 10, 1977. Hamida Djandoubi, a Tunisian immigrant convicted of murder, was beheaded. France co-sponsored the resolution on the death penalty approved by the UN Commission on Human Rights on April 20, 2005.

[Ira]

Ira,

Perhaps the list of executions in 2005 by country will give you some idea of what happens outside your borders:

1. China 1,770 (but probably much, much more)
2. Iran 94
3. Saudi Arabia 86
4. USA 60
5. Pakistan 31
6. Yemen 24
7. Vietnam 21
8. Jordan 11
9. Mongolia 8
10. Singapore 6

You must be proud to figure so well in a list of such respected countries.

Andrew

60 people out of 300 milliion? I don't think we faired that "poorly" then, as you want to suggest.

And remember--that's a REAL 60, compared to the other fake numbers listed there. The argument doesn't hold water.

I'm not saying that capital punishment is great here based on who gets executed, but I don't believe opposing capital punishment just on moral grounds is anything more than another moral platitude.

Which once again, is bringing religion into this.

An eye for an eye and a tooth were Hammurabai's (spelling?) laws.

But Andrew, what the heck does the above have anything to do with executing guys like Hussein, Stalin, Mao or Hitler? Are these guys going to be REHABILTATED by going to jail?

You can't equate a guy who kills his wife's lover or another guy who killed his drug dealer for cheating him out of a gram of crack with the most evil people in recorded history.

Or does proportion have nothing to do with this argument at all?

Of course, your approach does offer one benefit for certain people:

Do whatever the hell you want, kill anyone you want, and the worst that will happen to you is a life in prison with cable TV and thousands of supporters out there making sure you're comfortable every day of it.

Punishment isn't supposed to be just punishment. It's suppsoed to be a DETERRENT.

[doug hodder]

And to add to Ira's list of bad guys...don't forget Pol Pot and Idi Amin...I would imagine that the numbers of people they had eradicated is lost to history...and the 10's of thousands being killed anually in Sub Saharan Africa, I'm sure there will never be anything other than guestimates as to how many are killed...give or take several thousand...

Big deal...we took out 60...way more people die daily in car and home accidents in this country and it doesn't cost the taxpayer something like 40K+ to keep them alive every year, let alone the court costs and appeals....Bring back "Sparky"!!!! Doug

[Jst83]

Do whatever the hell you want, kill anyone you want, and the worst that will happen to you is a life in prison with cable TV and thousands of supporters out there making sure you're comfortable every day of it.

Punishment isn't supposed to be just punishment. It's supposed to be a DETERRENT.

I work inside a maximum security prison and have met a few killers. Ira's right they really do have it pretty good. They have TV's in there rooms. 3 square meals a day, Free medical. No Taxes. Guards are pretty lax as the inmates walk the grounds going to there daily jobs that they work inside the walls.
I even have a murderer that works with me on a daily outside the walls basis that lives out side the walls in a dorm for the guys that are real close to going home and have proved themselves.
There really isn't a lot of deterrent in going to prison.

Makes you warm and fuzzy how nice we are to our criminals

Scott

[Classic Finn]

Dont forget the friendly man: Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte ..

Classic Finn

[Miriam C.]

Ira,

Perhaps the list of executions in 2005 by country will give you some idea of what happens outside your borders:

1. China 1,770 (but probably much, much more)
2. Iran 94
3. Saudi Arabia 86
4. USA 60
5. Pakistan 31
6. Yemen 24
7. Vietnam 21
8. Jordan 11
9. Mongolia 8
10. Singapore 6

You must be proud to figure so well in a list of such respected countries.

Andrew

First the United States did not execute all 60 of these people. They are sentenced in separate States. Very few are not given the benefit of very long appeals processes at which point thier sentence can and often does change.

Like having a 50 little countries in one.

Andrew do you happen to have stats on what the people of these countries were accused of? Perhaps that we don't execute women for being raped or comitting adultry should play into it somewhere.

Singapor doesn't count because they have almost no crime. Very controlled society. But what about proportion.

My opinion is Sadam should have been turned over to the people he tortured. No protection from the US.

Btw---The World Court tried Slobodan Milosevic and his sentence was..........anyone remember

[angib]

Sorry about putting in the numbers above. I wasn't trying to start a 'counting game' and I don't think the numbers are thorough or accurate - I believe North Korea should be up near the top of the list, but it doesn't release any numbers, so wasn't included.

But then "We're not as bad as North Korea or Iran" isn't most peoples' idea of virtue.

Slobodan Milošević died in prison of a heart attack just before the end of his trial at the International Criminal Court. His death was a bit weird as his heart condition was easily treatable - some say he was murdered, some say he didn't take his drugs. No-one knows (except the conspiracy theorists)!

Andrew

[s4son]

I hate to see this discussion turning into an arguement. Just like any other subject, we all have our opinions on capital punishment. And just like everyone else, our own countries have there own problems. I will say I support capital punishment and agree that the USA has gone way over board protecting criminals "rights", while seemingly ignoring the rights of the victims.

In my opinion capital punishment is not a deterrent. It is simply a way to punish the criminal. Some of these people are so cruel they deserve no compassion.

If ever someone had it coming it was Saddam. The way we should show some compassion is to quickly and quietly bury him next to his sons and then get on with the business at hand.


Scott F.

[mrainey]

Just remember that Saddam was a brutal dictator killing his own people (along with a lot of Iranians) when this picture was taken.