Saddam Hussein says Happy New Year

[angib]

Are 'respect' or 'fear' the only two options? This sounds just like a street gang leader.

Andrew

[Nitetimes]

Are 'respect' or 'fear' the only two options?
Andrew

Hell, I'd settle for passive indifference, but I don't see that happening any time soon.






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[wolfix]

Are 'respect' or 'fear' the only two options? This sounds just like a street gang leader.

Andrew

Andrew...... Here in America we have many good things, but we also have our problems. Here in America we have this mentality going around called the "John Wayne " way of settling problems. You know..... Let's just shoot em or hang em high..... [It doesn't matter that John Wayne was a drunk and a wife beater. And his movies had no basis for fact.]

There are states in the US that has the death penalty. I think we are the only "modern" country in the world that has that. The people that think the death penalty is good do not care that 10% of the people put to death are innocent. They would rather see innocent people die then someone who is guilty spend his entire life behind bars.
They want justice and they want to live with the "Code of the West." Tough guys. But usually these are the tough guys who hide behind the police when their neighbors look at them wrong.

These are the same people who always say "We should blow them to kingdom come," and yet they have never felt the devastation of war.

These are the same group of people who think anyone who does not think like they do should move to France. They believe everyone in America thinks as they do. Similar to the behavior patterns of sheep......
If you question our governments policys, you need a ticket to France. Wow......


I have a different version of America. Maybe I am naive, but I want a version that does not put hang one innocent man so 9 guilty men die. I want an America where we do not torture our political prisoners. I want a version where other nationalities want to come to America for other then financial gain.

[Ira]

I have a different version of America. Maybe I am naive, but...I want a version where other nationalities want to come to America for other then financial gain.

Ahhhh...therein lies (lays?) the rub. Putting Mexico aside, the majority do.

My wife came right off the boat from Venezuela--I met her there in 1988 and we married a year later. When she moved up to New York the day after we wed (isn't that a romantic way of saying it?), two instances happened right after she got here that really summed up why immigrants come to live the American dream. (Besides my wife's added bonus of being married to the hottest stud in the tri-state area.)

(I've told these stories before here, so if you've heard them, forgive the redundancy.)

The first instance was when she wanted to mail a package to someone simply WITHIN the city. She was insistent that it had to be sent FedEx, because that was the only service where she would be guaranteed that the package would arrive there okay. (FedEx had just entered the Venezuelan market prior to her coming to New York, so she knew of their good reputation.)

I am not exaggerating when I tell you that it took me 2, 3 days to convince her that if she mailed it regular U.S. post, it would 100% get there, that it wouldn't be stolen by the carrier because it was a "valuable" looking package.

The second instance is when she called me at the office from home (she wasn't working at the time), terrified because she heard someone trying to turn the doorknob to our apartment. (Long story, but it turned out to be nothing.) I said, "Why are you calling me first and not 911 first!? What help can I give you there in Queens when I'm in MANHATTAN right now!?"

Turns out to her, the concept of calling 911, and policemen actually arriving within moments, was totally alien. Call emergency services in Caracas, and you're lucky if they get there the same DAY.

Can you imagine living in places like this? Places that 90% of the world actually live in?

THAT'S why people want to come to America--it's a system that actually works. And sure, financial gain has to be part of it, because that CONTRIBUTES to the system.

But looking at OUR bank accounts, we're still wating to actually see that financial gain.

[Miriam C.]

Are 'respect' or 'fear' the only two options? This sounds just like a street gang leader.

Andrew

What other options are available?

Well we had the cold war. Little bit of peace but very little in the way of true acceptance of each others differences.

Which differences I wonder, should we accept?

Murder of girl babies
Absolute abolishment of human rights and education for anyone
Mass execution of percieved enemies
Rape of any girl or woman you want because she has no real recourse
Rape of any man because he has no recourse---
Forced adherance to a religion not your own
Dictated dress code
Child pornography
Child molesting, rape and murder
Shooting homeless children
The abuse of anyone locked in a prision for any reason
Shooting storm refugees who try to find safety
Kicking doors in and shooting anyone who moves
Placing unarmed police officers in front of an automatic weapons

Laws that make feeding the homeless illegal (Orlando Florida)

Shall I go on. This was about Sadam being executed. There isn't a single person on the planet that expected the Shi'ite to not keep Sharia law and hang him while they could. It isn't like he was innocent. Nor was going to have a sudden influx of remorse. It isn't like we could really tell these people to not keep thier own laws in the interest of (whose) justice and (whose) morality.

Yes Andrew there are better answers but what are they.

And why does every thread that goes political end up with America bashing instead of suggestions to make the issue at hand better.

Getting mad at Wolfix for saying the same thing as others is scapegoating. He is intitled to speak his mind and be wrong. (sorry)

Wolfix you are lumping all people who do not agree with you into one simple negative group as you claim others do. Is that what you intended?

You would not have peace if we saved Sadam---is it worth it.

A country cannot survive if decisions are made based on fear of what some will do, or acceptance of any and all differences.

[MOKI SEAKER]

wolfix said:
Andrew...... Here in America we have many good things, but we also have our problems. Here in America we have this mentality going around called the "John Wayne " way of settling problems. You know..... Let's just shoot em or hang em high..... [It doesn't matter that John Wayne was a drunk and a wife beater. And his movies had no basis for fact.]

Doesn't like John Wayne. never heard of such a thing, besides everyone knows John Wayne was from Iowa also, must be a fued thing. Shoot'm all let God sort'm out. Jim G

[Ira]

Rape of any man because he has no recourse---

I'm still WAITING!!!

(But I agree on certain points above--I could never stand John Wayne either. But what was left out was that he was also a draft-dodger.)

[Miriam C.]

Rape of any man because he has no recourse---

I'm still WAITING!!!

(But I agree on certain points above--I could never stand John Wayne either. But what was left out was that he was also a draft-dodger.)

Um Ira. Never mind, Can't say it with out violating my own code.

[Nitetimes]

Well sir, I am afraind you are in for a long and disappointing wait.

I have a different version of America. Maybe I am naive, but I want a version that does not put hang one innocent man so 9 guilty men die.

First off, these days that is very unlikely to happen. The technology used pretty much takes the guess work out of things that caused some of the mistakes in days gone by.
Let's make it simple, limit capitol punishment to the obviously guilty, ie. caught on tape, witnessed by a lot of people, unsolicited confession (I don't want to hear that argument, you confess and get fried too bad, they do check). Now you've cut out the risk factor. So then let's cut the appeals proccess down a little, say maybe an hour. If you can't come up with a compeling reason why you shouldn't be fried in that amount of time 15 years or more ain't gonna do it. Now trim the rest of the fat, "guilty, hour's up, in the chair, switch on." Just think of the money you save the judicial system, not to mention how much you screw the lawyer out of over the next 20 years (that alone makes this a good system). Now look at what you save me every year by not having to spend $40k+ a year to keep you around for the next what, 30 years or so, living a better life than a lot of people that try to work for a living no less. Do I think we should drop capitol punishment, nope, I think we should step it up a few notches to where it is actually a deterent again. Cause as it is now it's useless.

I want an America where we do not torture our political prisoners.

Why not? You want to take all the fun out of the whole game. I guess it's better to put them up in a 3 star motel and see how much information they'll give you while you pamper them and convice them they are special.
I can think of a whole slew of fun things to do to get the info you need out of them....

I want a version where other nationalities want to come to America for other then financial gain.

Stop at Sheetz or 7 11 or Citgo and check the names of the owners, if you don't have to pay taxes why not come and buy something that makes you piles of money. I don't care how much money they make after they come here provided that it cost them as much to live here as it does me.
And how about the ones that come here and study to be doctors and such then go home, how many of them do we pay for their schooling.

Sorry, but your ways just cost us way too much money that could be better spent other places.

Disclaimer: The views expressed here are mine and mine alone and not neccisarily those of the management.

[Sonetpro]

Rape of any man because he has no recourse---

I'm still WAITING!!!

Here ya go Ira, Your wait is over

[wolfix]

Do I think we should drop capitol punishment, nope, I think we should step it up a few notches to where it is actually a deterent again. Cause as it is now it's useless.

So you do not care if an innocent man dies as long as we have a deterent? The death penalty has never been a strong deterent. That is a very weak and uneducated argument. Prison for life is a deterent. The death penalty is about revenge and not about justice.

I want an America where we do not torture our political prisoners.

Why not? You want to take all the fun out of the whole game. I guess it's better to put them up in a 3 star motel and see how much information they'll give you while you pamper them and convice them they are special.
I can think of a whole slew of fun things to do to get the info you need out of them....

Torture as fun??? If our leaders feel it is morally OK to torture, why did they deny it? Why did they say it is illegal to torture if it is fun and morally OK. And name me one incident of a prisoner being put up in a 3 star motel and pampered. Let me ask you this....... if you use your "whole slew of things to get the info you need out of them" and later it is discovered you had the wrong man, doesn't that make you a criminal?

I want a version where other nationalities want to come to America for other then financial gain.

Stop at Sheetz or 7 11 or Citgo and check the names of the owners, if you don't have to pay taxes why not come and buy something that makes you piles of money. I don't care how much money they make after they come here provided that it cost them as much to live here as it does me.
And how about the ones that come here and study to be doctors and such then go home, how many of them do we pay for their schooling.

Sorry, but your ways just cost us way too much money that could be better spent other places.

Disclaimer: The views expressed here are mine and mine alone and not neccisarily those of the management.

[/quote]

Our universities rely on the money the doctors in training bring here. Also, do you realize there are more Americans being educated in other countries as guests of those countries then we have as guests in our country ????? Americans do not pay for other nationalities to train here.
Also, if they own American businesses they are as responsible for taxes as American business people. That is a myth they do not pay taxes. That kind of false information is what drives me up the wall.

[Miriam C.]

Rape of any man because he has no recourse---

I'm still WAITING!!!

Here ya go Ira, Your wait is over

Oh lordy! I was going to suggest Big Buela.

[Miriam C.]

Here ya go Ira and all,
Ya missed it. Seems the hippies tried to effect the global violence with dismal results. If it had worked we wouldn't be having this talk.

http://www.GlobalOrgasm.org

Yeah I know I keep hi Jacking this hi Jacked thead but some just want to argue and this is great.

It is by: http://www.BaringWitness.org

Sorry Ira should have told you sooner.

[dhazard]

Ok .....it's a known fact that 10% of the death sentences handed out in this country are wrong because the prosecutor manipulated the case in front of the jury. So, if a person is put to death and later is found to be found innocent, I personally think the jury and the prosecutor needs to be hung in front of their families. ........ They committed murder also....
And when a police officer lies in a death penalty case , he needs to have the death penalty too.....

Can you site your source for this?

Was Saddam an innocent man?

Is the world a better place without him?

[GHOSTSSX]

Oooh, Oooh, Ooooh, I know, I know!!!

Can you site your source for this?

Uhhh, not this one...

Was Saddam an innocent man?

NO

Is the world a better place without him?

YES


That's a 67/100...add California feel good points...that's a 110/100!!

I'll await my gold star by my name now!

CHUCK