One for Ira - walmart workers sitting by the phone?

[angib]

Hey Paul, you'd better watch out. Bush is planning on attacking you next.

I have it from an expert that Australia is exempt from all such programs. What he told me was:

We'll save Australia
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo
We'll build an All American amusement park there
They got surfin', too

And please remember: I report, you decide.......

Lyrics ('Political Science', Randy Newman)
Excellent cartoon of song - recommended

Andrew

[Ira]

1. All countries have weapons of mass distruction.
2. All governments tax and spend
3. What does any of this have to do with Walmart screwing thier employees out of earn time.

Ira---My daughter works for a local hospital and they made her work Christmas and New Years. She didn't mind because she would get overtime pay and maybe get her car fixed.

They cut her hours for the next 3 weeks to make up for the overtime pay. She is worse off than before.

According to the Republican spin, she should be thankful to HAVE a job, or should shetake one that pays more if she "dissatisfied."

As if we don't desperately need hospital workers.

Or teachers.

Or social workers.

[Laredo]

Well, Ira, the "market diktat" notion is that, in fact, we don't need teachers.
Or nurses. Or doctors, or therapists.
Or, especially, social workers.

Because if you aren't a corporate CEO you don't deserve to live, period.

My answer to that:

the market-driven idjits and their bastardized notions of 'society'.

I wish I could find it now. Several years ago on the Lycos boards there was a really nice essay about all the "self made conservative's" willful disregard of the benefits of a society founded on the common good.

[GHOSTSSX]

Thats a really nice glass lag bolt!!! Wutz innit?? Vodka??

CHUCK

[Leon]

I found it - Perfume http://www.perfume.com/clandestine/screw-1009824.html

I love the review "...the cologne inside the bottle does not smell very good. It smells cheap and weak to me. I will not wear this cheap smelling cologne but I love the bottle."

[Micro469]

[quote="Laredo"]Well, Ira, the "market diktat" notion is that, in fact, we don't need teachers.
Or nurses. Or doctors, or therapists.
Or, especially, social workers.

Because if you aren't a corporate CEO you don't deserve to live, period.

My answer to that:

<snip>

Does it vibrate?

[Joseph]

Well, Ira, the "market diktat" notion is that, in fact, we don't need teachers.
Or nurses. Or doctors, or therapists.
Or, especially, social workers.
Because if you aren't a corporate CEO you don't deserve to live, period.

Laredo, you'd have a lot more credibility if you would abstain from spouting rediculous nonsense about what you think others believe. Nobody believes we don't need teachers or nurses or doctors. We could probably do with fewer therapists if we would stop inventing new "syndromes" that needed treatment. Social workers? Yeah, we need them too. What we have WAY too many of is LAWYERS!

I wish I could find it now. Several years ago on the Lycos boards there was a really nice essay about all the "self made conservative's" willful disregard of the benefits of a society founded on the common good.

A society founded on the common good is exactly what the Constitution is all about. Read it sometime.

Joseph

[Joseph]

Joseph, Give me and everyone else a break.

Fine Paul. Since these weapons are so harmless, whaddaya say we ship them to Austrailia and detonate them? In downtown Adelaide, perhaps?

Joseph

[PaulC]

Joseph, Give me and everyone else a break.

Fine Paul. Since these weapons are so harmless, whaddaya say we ship them to Austrailia and detonate them? In downtown Adelaide, perhaps?

Joseph

Joseph, They always say the best form of defence is to attack. If that is the mentality that will keep you happy, go for it I still maintain that there is more of that crap on mainland USA than Saddam had there for long enough for it to go off.
I noticed that you missed clarifying the bit about the WMD's that they could not find could be onsold to terrorists.
Always use the info you find to further your own cause, by no means use logic, and actually read what is written.
Cheers
Paul

[Joseph]

I noticed that you missed clarifying the bit about the WMD's that they could not find could be onsold to terrorists.

That is rather the point, isn't it? We know he had the stuff and that he was busy hiding it when he was supposed to be destroying it. So where is it? It's nonsense to think that we have thoroughly searched a country the size of Iraq.

Granted we haven't been hit again since 9/11 but I'm quite certain it isn't from a lack of trying on their part.

The point I was trying to make was to debunk the "There were no WMDs! Bush lied and people died!" nonsense. So lo and behold, we find some, and because they're old they don't count. The old stuff was what we were looking for because that's what we knew he had!

Joseph

[Joseph]

From the copyright, looks like the charts come from here:
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/

Interesting site. No left-wing agenda here. NOT!!

If you give a drunk sailor 10 bucks it will soon be out of his pocket an into another's with little accounting of how he spent it.....

HEY!! I resemble that remark!

Joseph

[Ira]

That is rather the point, isn't it? We know he had the stuff and that he was busy hiding it when he was supposed to be destroying it. So where is it? It's nonsense to think that we have thoroughly searched a country the size of Iraq.

You actually still believe this? That the WMDs were there, and we just didn't "get" them in time? Or that they're there and still hidden, after three years, and they just haven't been used against us yet?

The whole premise for going into Iraq was indeed a lie by a President hankering to take out an easy target. Because if they had WMDs, wouldn't they have surely used them against our troops?

And nothing for nothing, but we're talking chemical agents, right? Not nuclear capabilities.

But putting that aside, from a global perspective, where nations are supposed to think through the consequences of their actions, it made no sense to invade:

You have a radical Iran regime, which is Shiite. And yeah, it's been argued that the clerics hold the real power, and that in reality, they're more moderate than the venom coming from Ahmadinejad 's mouth. (Yeah--I had to look that spelling up.) But we're still viewing Iran as an evil empire.

We have Iraq, which is prodeminently Shiite, controlled by the Sunni minority. With a large Kurdish minority in the north.

So what we did was take out the Sunnis, put the Shiites in power, who will naturally align with Iran--the ones who fund Hezbollah and REALLY fund a whole host of other terrorists.

From a geopolitical standpoiunt, it made no sense. If we were to invade, WMDs not withstanding, the ONLY result that would truly be good for us would be to partition the country into the three entities. To try and think we could build peace and love there between the warring (waring?) parties was just wishful-thinking. It wasn't gonna happen.

I heard a guy make this argument before we went in, and it made so much sense to me then.

[Joseph]

The whole premise for going into Iraq was indeed a lie by a President hankering to take out an easy target.

One simple, direct question - how did Bush manage to get Clinton to tell this lie in 1998?

Joseph

[Joseph]

Well, you know Clinton was the best Republican president we've ever had.

He's every bit a Republican as McCain or Giuliani who appear to be the top two choices for the Republicans at this early stage. So whether a Democrat or a Republican wins the Presidency in '08 is just about irrelevant.

A pity they threw Joe Lieberman under the bus - I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.

Joseph

[Ira]

Did you read this part?

"Eight Arab nations -- Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Oman -- warned that Iraq alone would bear responsibility for the consequences of defying the U.N.

"When Saddam still failed to comply, we prepared to act militarily. It was only then at the last possible moment that Iraq backed down. It pledged to the U.N. that it had made, and I quote, a clear and unconditional decision to resume cooperation with the weapons inspectors."