Is this guy a nut?

[Gaston]

He may be truly concerned and want to change things to the "right and true" way that is legal and righteous for all BUT....
an example of what happens when those who are apposed to the way government does things try to use the information these people pass out.

A young man names David (my best friends son) was one of these people who believes this crap and used it as an excuse to..
1 not have a drivers license
2 not register for the draft
3 not pay any form of tax
4 not register his car or license it
5 not conduct his business according to state or federal law.
SO he sold unregistered firearms including from the trunk of his unlicensed car to people the Feds would prefer not to have guns, So the feds busted him, and in their usual polite way ask him not to do any more.
Having no prior record or arrest they let him go
SO he went back to selling guns out of the trunk of his car. After all it was his "right" to do so
So the Feds being the nice guys they are busted him again charged him with 6 counts of selling unlicensed firearms ,offered him a 'deal" probation for 1 year and he gets a conviction on his record. he , at the advise of his "civil rights" lawyer told them to "stuff it" and went to trial
the result
he owes the lawyer $15,000 (will be more for the appeal) and the result of this he is currently convicted and sentenced to serve 2 years as a guest of the government , if they can catch him again. stupid kid
BUT by GOD no one can tell him he's wrong , cause this guy and people like him told him so....

[lanego]

Sorry you're offended, Joseph, but the fact remains, we use foreign citizens in our armed forces; they do not have your viewpoint. I support the individual young American in the armed forces, doing what they think is right, but they are very young and often naive, and fewer and farther between. Yes, the armed forces did defend our rights and preserve freedom for me and all Americans so that I can still, at this moment, voice my opinion. I believe that has all changed and we will quickly be in a totalitarian society. I can see the day coming very soon when I or others who voice dissident opinions will be interred, tortured and executed by our "protectors" just following orders from the government. I'm glad you still feel bound to protect my freedom of speech and assembly, but what would you honestly choose to do if given the opportunity to silence my voice? What would you actually do it you saw a troop of soldiers handcuffing me and taking my guns (if I owned any)? That is my constitutional right - to bear arms. What would you truly choose to do if the federal government issued orders to inter American citizens based on their religion , or political beliefs, or ethnic origin? Would you do anything? Would you even question the order? Would you say it serves us right. Would you say we've got to protect the citizens of the United States from terrorists? That we are obviously a threat to American security? Would you really stand up and demand my constitutional rights be respected? Even if it put you at risk for interment or even being immediately shot? Fascism starts with tiny erosions of freedom, not with a hammer. Until it is too late. Societies change, governments born in fire and freedom become the masters they were designed to topple. History repeats itself because we will not learn and we will not see.

And the Fed determines how much money will be printed and minted, no one else. Read the top of your dollar bill - Federal Reserve Note! Your government gave them that power.

[rbeemer]

Joseph,

I agree with you and I find it rather embarrassing that somebody truly believes that about our military. I spent 8 yrs in the Air Force.

Lanego,

You are welcome to your opinion but please make it an informed opinion especially concerning our Military. Here is a little history lesson. The Japanese embarrassed us when they attacked Pearl Harbor and we knew they planning something just did not believe they would or could attack Pearl. On Sept 11 we were embarrassed again because somebody hijacked not one, not two but at least 3 planes and tried to do not only do financial damage but also take out our government leaders. Nobody wants to be embarrassed again by believing that somebody could not do what they did again.

Unless you have served you have no idea and people can only tell you so much

I'll be quiet now and try to remain calm

[lanego]

Did anybody actually look at what happened in New Orleans? Do you favor torture in Guantanamo? or elsewhere? so you can be freedom loving, safe Americans with rights?

[Gaston]

Yes I did see what happened in New Orleans DID YOU
I helped my sister get her business back up and running so people could eat (she owns McDonalds restaurants) her house had the lower floor destroyed and the road to it was impassable. She had a 40" sailboat sitting in her side yard!
she and her husband spent money they did'nt have to buy a trailer to live in and run their business, bought generators in Florida along with gas and supplies and trucked it to Slidel . they cleaned up the restaurant they could, restocked it with food they hauled from Florida, hooked up the generators , and ran payroll so their employees could have some thing to live on.
They did this all at great personal expense with no help from anyone, cause thats what American business does. they don't wait for someone to come and help them, then complain ,it didn't happen soon enough
The result of their hard word
the people who depended on their restaurant to eat complained about lousy service (They could not find enough employees to open more than the drive thru)
the same people didn't see why they had to pay for the food !!
people broke in to their other ( still closed stores) and trashed them causing many more thousands of $$ damage than the storm
I don't feel a thing for people who suffer a natural disaster then complain cause they couldn't get off their asses and help themselves.

The real tragedy in New Orleans is that the welfare capital of the world didn't get washed totally away

and as for torture in Guantanamo? If it saves the life of just one person here they can slice and dice the whole bunch of them and feed the left overs to the fish

[Joseph]

Sorry you're offended, Joseph, but the fact remains, we use foreign citizens in our armed forces; they do not have your viewpoint.

How many have you served with? In the Navy I've served with literally hundreds of Philippinos and they're as pro-American as anyone. More so than many, IMHO.

I'm glad you still feel bound to protect my freedom of speech and assembly, but what would you honestly choose to do if given the opportunity to silence my voice?

It's the left that wants to silence the right in this country. When was the last time a liberal got shouted down and had pies thrown at him on a college campus?

Did anybody actually look at what happened in New Orleans?

Yes. They confiscated guns from the law-abiding so the criminals could run rampant.

Do you favor torture in Guantanamo? or elsewhere? so you can be freedom loving, safe Americans with rights?

WHAT torture in Guantanamo? Oh - right - they're feeding these guys to death! Many of them have gained upwards of fifty pounds! Death by heart attack!

These people will happily cut your head off. They INVENTED many of the torture techniques used in the dark ages which they have perfected with technology and still use today. Don't tell me putting a leash on some guy to embarrass him is torture.

These people have declared their intent to destroy us and they are doing everything in their power to do so.

So how do YOU propose to stop them?

Joseph

[s4son]

The most dangerous thing in all this is that a private corporation is in control, printing money, ordering from behind the scenes the path we are on to totalitarianism complete with electronic tatoos.

I guess it’s a matter of semantics. I don't care to participate in on-line arguements so I'll stay out of this thread.

Scott F.

[asianflava]

Some of the most patriotic people I know are immigrants, especially the ones who had to escape from their home country to get here. I know a few that had to avoid gunfire, keep their wives from being raped, live in a jungle just so that they could have a chance to even make to this country. They are thankful to be here because they know how bad it can get.

[Nitetimes]

Lanego- Just curious, what planet are you really from?? You get more ridiculous every time you spout off. You either lead a very sheltered life or you just don't have any idea what the military and this country are all about.
For all you claim to know your knowledge of the real world seems very limited.
When you start putting down the military around here you are beating your head against the wall.
There's a lot of veterans that hang out here and they are the best people you'd want to know even if we don't agree on everything all the time we are still united.

[Kevin A]

Just a friendly reminder to keep discussions civil. Debates that stick to the issues are generally pretty safe. When they start to get personal, the thread is at risk for being removed.

[Nitetimes]

I'll be quiet now.

[doug hodder]

what's a real killer on the whole thing, is the guys like my father that flew 30 missions in a B-17,( please note that an average tear drop has more insulation than a B-17 and doesn't have to deal with Flak), over Europe to take care of out of control dictators to make a free world, so others can complain on how crappy it is....and then have to hear about some neer-do-well, lame loser stuck in Git-mo squawk about his rights, while the wacky liberal lawyers from the US. flock to defend him...These guys are playing our system big time....While we are at it...lets round up the ACLU also....and maybe feed them to death!!! doug

[Podunkfla]

what's a real killer on the whole thing, is the guys like my father that flew 30 missions in a B-17, please note that an average tear drop has more insulation than a B-17 and doesn't have to deal with Flak, over Europe to take care of out of control dictators to make a free world....and then have to hear about some neer-do-well, lame loser stuck in Git-mo squawk about his rights, while the wacky liberal lawyers from the US. flock to defend him...These guys are playing our system big time....While we are at it...lets round up the ACLU also....and maybe feed them to death!!! doug

He!!... Bring back the draft. If every potential ACLU lawyer had to serve a hitch, I bet things would be a bit different.
To say nothing about the effect every young man serving would have on "war torn" cities like New Orleans, Detroit, and Baltimore.

[doug hodder]

Sorry Brick...I just don't see it as "war torn" when a lot of the people are wearing 125$ + Adidas while they are running through the streets making trouble in a crisis, listening to their I-pods....the opportunity exists for every one to make what they want of their life, if not, why do so many people flock to this country? If they don't like their situation, then get off your butt and create what you want...they only hold themselves back.... doug

[Podunkfla]

Sorry Brick...I just don't see it as "war torn" when a lot of the people are wearing 125$ + Adidas while they are running through the streets making trouble in a crisis, listening to their I-pods....the opportunity exists for every one to make what they want of their life, if not, why do so many people flock to this country? If they don't like their situation, then get off your butt and create what you want...they only hold themselves back.... doug

Doug... I really agree with you. I'm just thinking at least some of the street garbage could be saved with some exposure to military discipline. Most would prolly wash out anyway. But, it wouldn't hurt to try. It prolly saved me from some serious problems. I was a real out of control idiot when I was a kid. I had to grow up pretty fast in the military real world. Best thing I ever did.