How come?

[Miriam C.]

We all gotta make a living somehow.

I just want to know how taxing cow farts is going to fix any of this. I mean think about it. We have more humans and if we all quit eating meat and eat more plants won't we be contributing to the emissions problem.

If you look at who sponsored what study you will see a lot of bias. The latest study was not a conclusion from the entire scientific community. It was in fact a group of like minded, politically motivated, paid study participants.

Give this some thought: The break up of the polar ice caps will flood the coastal plains, and cause worse huricanes and blizards.

This past huricane season was to be the worst ever.

We spend billions around the world to fund the breaking up of the Artic ice for shipping. Yet it is the sun shining on the ocean year round that will cause the problems.

The great lakes ice is no longer as thick. It melts too fast. We spend millions to send in icebreaker to the great lakes. We break it up and allow the sun to shine on water that needs to be frozen to be healthy(the same).

The poor little Zebra mussel is dangerous. It gets in the water intakes of cities, ships and cloges them costing millions to clean out...The lakes for whome these are such a problem are now cleaner because the zebra muscle is such a good filter.

Are you seeing the pattern...spend your money to kill the thing that fixes the problem you spent so much money to fix and failed.

Spend your money to stop global warming so the ice packs will thicken so you can spend your money to break them up.

Anyone remember the Bering Straight freezing and locking ships in ice, even breaking up one or two. The coming ice age will be ushered in because of global warming and we all should spend our money so those in the know can fix it.

[Nitetimes]

.....we all should spend our money so those in the know can fix it.

Sounds like a plan to me!!

[Lesbest]

On the Heartland Institute website under the faq's Who funds it? There is a list of how contrabutions can be made and the guidelines they follow. Corporations can only give up too 5% of HI's total budget. They don't list cotributers names so we don't call them names etc. They get their money from 1400 foundations,corperations and individuals, hardly sounds like they are backed by Exxon or any other big single contributer.

[Miriam C.]

Not in anyway am I saying that global warming a myth or that we shouldn't be conservative. I am saying the people who preach gloom and doom unless you turn all your decisions over to them or allow them to make a living off us while they prosper is BS.

[cherokeegeorge]

I also remember in the 70's the over population scare and how we wouldn't be able to feed people and there wouldn't be any place for us to live. the doom and gloomers wanted us to stop breeding......right

[cam5e]

If today's weather in Mid-Michigan is any indicator. I think the Ice age is a more realistic option.

[doug hodder]

Coldbeer is right....and back in the 70's a majority of them were preaching global cooling...so what happened...or was that also an "Inconvienent Truth", that no one has any explanation for what happened to...you can only cry wolf so many times, whatever happened to the whole ozone issue and the big hole in the sky that was going to kill us all, let alone Meryl Streeps tirade on apple farmers in the 80's due to alar...haven't heard much about a couple of those issues lately, it's just not the global environmental issue Du Jour...maybe Al/ Geo. Soros and his bunch can develop a giant catalytic converters to install on all the active volcanoes... Doug

[Miriam C.]

Not in anyway am I saying that global warming a myth or that we shouldn't be conservative. I am saying the people who preach gloom and doom unless you turn all your decisions over to them or allow them to make a living off us while they prosper is BS.

Or from the other perspective: If you have to defer to someone else's expertise it's wiser to go to a doctor for a health issue and go to a plumber for a toilet problem. Problem is I hear too many people citing a plumber 's analysis of an EKG.

Scientist's are NOT a group of like minded people. They are contentious and skeptical. And if the vast majority of them say that there is something wrong then we should not let Fox news and Penn and Teller lull us into complacency.

HUH!!The vast majority of who???

Not all scientist agree with the cause or solutions of global warming/cooling.

The members of the recent councel on global warming were in fact a group of like minded individuals who were indeed politically placed if not motivated.

Perhaps you should spend some time researching who they were and their past affiliations...check out their solutions and the full ramifications to the West. Ask yourself why if it is so important, it isn't for everyone.

Fox news??? I can see you did not read my disertation with the intended amount of levity.

If you really want a debate on who is behind Global manipulation through environmental issues check out
http://www.gci.ch/index.htm

There are others. Just a start. I don't do TV dummy real well.

[Nitetimes]

UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)

No need to read further. Anything that comes out of that organization is bound to be worthless.

[Miriam C.]

HUH!!The vast majority of who???

Not all scientist agree with the cause or solutions of global warming/cooling.

The members of the recent councel on global warming were in fact a group of like minded individuals who were indeed politically placed if not motivated.

UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) representatives from 113 governments is undoubtedly a left wing ideological group of extremists. We'll have no objectivity until the counsel is staffed by CEO's from the coal, gas, and petroleum industries. You can believe what you want to believe - it won't ever turn pollution into a benevolent substance. Pollution is harmful, that's why its called pollution; if pollution wasn't harmful, it would be called "corporate fudge frosting" or "sunblock 3000 SPF" or something.

I have yet to meet anyone who disagrees with cleaning up pollution who isn't motivated in some way by money. I can save $200/year by dumping my household garbage on your front lawn - and according to you, that is ok because you and an army of scientists can not predict what exact consequence will be caused by empty Walmart soup cans on your front lawn.
In addition, then as others have done, to say, oh look last time somebody claimed a consequence that didn't pan out - so let's ignore it all. Then to that I can only go back to: Cancer and Heart disease warnings are a myth. You can not show me one piece of evidence that smoking/eating poorly is a direct cause of either. Afterall, there are always those who live to 90 - that's *my* proof.

When they say that Honda Accords are most stolen car in America, that does not mean that you will see even one Honda Accord stolen in Cornville, ID. But you can't turn it around and say that " because no Hondas were stolen in my town - the people claiming that Honda Accords are most stolen car in America - are wrong" .

Dang---my alter is speaking for me again.
Wanna explain why you have choosen to attack me personally and lied about what I said.

Conversation over.

[Miriam C.]

Not in anyway am I saying that global warming a myth or that we shouldn't be conservative. I am saying the people who preach gloom and doom unless you turn all your decisions over to them or allow them to make a living off us while they prosper is BS.

[Nitetimes]

UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)

No need to read further. Anything that comes out of that organization is bound to be worthless.

Just curious, what is the source of information that you respect?

Well it certainly isn't the un, that's gotta be the most biased organization on the planet. Their only agenda is the new world order and they will do whatever it takes to get to that goal.
Why would you believe anything that comes outa there? The whole organization is out in left field.

[Ma3tt]

Well in a couple years lets re visit this thread and we will see who gets to say "I told you so!"

[Dewayne_Mellen]

Some perspective on Global Cooling:

http://tinyurl.com/yxceur

From the second page:

The point to remember, says Connolley, is that predictions of global cooling never approached the kind of widespread scientific consensus that supports the greenhouse effect today.

And we also have a right wing think tank offering a $10,000 for scientists to refute the IPCC report:

http://tinyurl.com/ywjrgh


Mirriam where in the IPCC report are the scientists saying that you have to do what they are saying. Don't they just say what will happen if carbon dioxide production isn't reduced? There are ways to reduce energy usage which saves money. Look at Ford's Rouge plant.

[doug hodder]

check it out http://www.geocities.com/mjloundy/ especially the little tag line after the end....Doug