who sez the Feds don't care about New Orleans

[angib]

....which should have made the whole thing impossible....

Ah! Those classic words......

It is very interesting to look at the history of quality systems (or safety systems, or fool-proofing, or poka-yoke, or whatever you want to call it). We have some very early systems here in Britain from trying to make the railways safe, with things like the baton system, then the token system, then the token key system. Each step came from the result of an accident and prevented an error from causing another accident in the future.

To be fair to the guys handling nukes, they don't seem to have had many big mistakes even though they didn't get to learn from the same 'training' mistakes as other activities. OK, if you include the Russians, the score ain't perfect, but that's an important lesson: the Russians were historically very poor at feedback systems - they were good at top-down orders but piss-poor at bottom-up feedback on what works and what doesn't.

Er.... philosophy lesson over

Andrew

[rbeemer]

The big problem here is that thoise missles should have never been loaded on to a BUFF for transportation. That is why there are C141s and C5 in existance and the Airbase at Barkdale can hanle the landing and take off of these cargo planes.

[caseydog]

Maybe it was just some base commanders ingenious method to maintain our Purity Of Essence.

Hmmmm, sounds like operation Drop Kick.

[caseydog]

madjack Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: who sez the Feds don't care about New Orleans

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tonyj Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject:

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Maybe it was just some base commanders ingenious method to maintain our Purity Of Essence.

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Has someone been watching any Old Movies there, "Dr. Strangelove" maybe.
I like Slim Pickens and Peter Sellars characters in the movie.

Truth is stranger than Fiction?



Pat

DOH! I thought I would be the first one to "get" it.

[caseydog]

....which should have made the whole thing impossible....

Ah! Those classic words......

It is very interesting to look at the history of quality systems (or safety systems, or fool-proofing, or poka-yoke, or whatever you want to call it). We have some very early systems here in Britain from trying to make the railways safe, with things like the baton system, then the token system, then the token key system. Each step came from the result of an accident and prevented an error from causing another accident in the future.

To be fair to the guys handling nukes, they don't seem to have had many big mistakes even though they didn't get to learn from the same 'training' mistakes as other activities. OK, if you include the Russians, the score ain't perfect, but that's an important lesson: the Russians were historically very poor at feedback systems - they were good at top-down orders but piss-poor at bottom-up feedback on what works and what doesn't.

Er.... philosophy lesson over

Andrew

A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. – Douglas Adams

[angib]

....foolproof....

And, drifting back to philosophy again, English-speaking industry uses the word 'foolproofing', but the Japanese use 'mistake-proofing' (poka-yoke), because it's not insulting to their workers.

D'you think if you don't treat 'em like fools, they may not behave like fools.....?

Andrew