I’m just curious about firearms and camping

[Eunice]

I, I pulled it out and it was about to expire. So i went down to renew it($20.00 a year) and now its like a drivers license she

concealed weapons permit in California (in my county anyway) is $165.00 reneals $70.00
years ago it was $50.00 for a new permit

Eunice

[Ira]

As noted by a number of posters this is an emotional subject & very few (if any) minds will be changed in either direction by any arguments presented herein, however valid or persuasive they may be.

Well, see, herein lies the crux of the argument:

Minds WILL be changed if God forbid, someone's daughter or spouse is killed by a gun. See, until this happens to someone on a personal level, no one gives a s*** about the subject, and we don't "have" a gun problem in the good old U S of A.

THOUSANDS of people are shot yearly by accident…by stupiity…by fleeting moments of passion.

Yet only a handful characterize that they felt actually "saved" by carrying a piece--and in 90% of those cases, this isn't true anyway. They may THINK they were saved by having that weapon, but in reality, they just "felt" safer in that situation.

Of course, let's not forget the thousands of people who are shot ON PURPOSE because of the retarded gun laws in this country, where ANYONE can basically buy a weapon without even so much as a 72-hour waiting requirement. Where guns are sold everyehere like so many pieces of candy, on every street corner.

Yet the gun lobby keeps bringing up this antiquated 2nd Amendment as its argument. Even though thousands of innocents are killed each year in this country--yet the 2nd Amendment argument is invoked as somehow a way to PROTECT Americans.

Duhhhhh....thousands are dying. Can you TRY to understand that this thinking is just plain wrong?

I mean, just do the math! Math doesn't lie, and this country is a DISGRACE when it comes to firearms deaths, yet according to a lot of you, "Everything is okay. I have a right to own this weapon."

It's a selfish, macho, self-serving postion, especially when asking for a 72-hour waiting period is considered "UnAmerican."

Okay--now explain to me why waiting 72 hours to buy a new gun is a bad thing. I mean, if you really want to kill your wife, can't you wait 3 days?

[Kankujoe]

As noted by a number of posters this is an emotional subject & very few (if any) minds will be changed in either direction by any arguments presented herein, however valid or persuasive they may be.

Well, see, herein lies the crux of the argument:

Minds WILL be changed if God forbid, someone's daughter or spouse is killed by a gun. See, until this happens to someone on a personal level, no one gives a s*** about the subject, and we don't "have" a gun problem in the good old U S of A.

THOUSANDS of people are shot yearly by accident…by stupiity…by fleeting moments of passion.

Yet only a handful characterize that they felt actually "saved" by carrying a piece--and in 90% of those cases, this isn't true anyway. They may THINK they were saved by having that weapon, but in reality, they just "felt" safer in that situation.

Of course, let's not forget the thousands of people who are shot ON PURPOSE because of the retarded gun laws in this country, where ANYONE can basically buy a weapon without even so much as a 72-hour waiting requirement. Where guns are sold everyehere like so many pieces of candy, on every street corner.

Yet the gun lobby keeps bringing up this antiquated 2nd Amendment as its argument. Even though thousands of innocents are killed each year in this country--yet the 2nd Amendment argument is invoked as somehow a way to PROTECT Americans.

Duhhhhh....thousands are dying. Can you TRY to understand that this thinking is just plain wrong?

I mean, just do the math! Math doesn't lie, and this country is a DISGRACE when it comes to firearms deaths, yet according to a lot of you, "Everything is okay. I have a right to own this weapon."

It's a selfish, macho, self-serving postion, especially when asking for a 72-hour waiting period is considered "UnAmerican."

Okay--now explain to me why waiting 72 hours to buy a new gun is a bad thing. I mean, if you really want to kill your wife, can't you wait 3 days?

Your argument if full of "emotional hot air," your statistics are over inflated and skewed by those who have an antigun, anti-constitutional agenda.

If you really want to save lives why not ban cars & drivers licenses since more than 55,000 lives are lost each year using these killing machines. Why not prohibit people under 25 or over 65 from driving since these two groups statistically cause more accidents...

Heck why not close all the hospitals too since another 200,000 lives are lost each year by medical mistakes. For that matter lets get rid of skateboards & bicycles too... how about banning cigarettes & alcohol while your at it...

[billnut]

Yep
Do I care if you care Nope
Could you cahnge my mind Nope
Bill

[Kevin A]

As noted by a number of posters this is an emotional subject & very few (if any) minds will be changed in either direction by any arguments presented herein, however valid or persuasive they may be.

Well, see, herein lies the crux of the argument:

Minds WILL be changed if God forbid, someone's daughter or spouse is killed by a gun. See, until this happens to someone on a personal level, no one gives a s*** about the subject, and we don't "have" a gun problem in the good old U S of A.

THOUSANDS of people are shot yearly by accident…by stupiity…by fleeting moments of passion.

Yet only a handful characterize that they felt actually "saved" by carrying a piece--and in 90% of those cases, this isn't true anyway. They may THINK they were saved by having that weapon, but in reality, they just "felt" safer in that situation.

Of course, let's not forget the thousands of people who are shot ON PURPOSE because of the retarded gun laws in this country, where ANYONE can basically buy a weapon without even so much as a 72-hour waiting requirement. Where guns are sold everyehere like so many pieces of candy, on every street corner.

Yet the gun lobby keeps bringing up this antiquated 2nd Amendment as its argument. Even though thousands of innocents are killed each year in this country--yet the 2nd Amendment argument is invoked as somehow a way to PROTECT Americans.

Duhhhhh....thousands are dying. Can you TRY to understand that this thinking is just plain wrong?

I mean, just do the math! Math doesn't lie, and this country is a DISGRACE when it comes to firearms deaths, yet according to a lot of you, "Everything is okay. I have a right to own this weapon."

It's a selfish, macho, self-serving postion, especially when asking for a 72-hour waiting period is considered "UnAmerican."

Okay--now explain to me why waiting 72 hours to buy a new gun is a bad thing. I mean, if you really want to kill your wife, can't you wait 3 days?

Your argument if full of "emotional hot air," your statistics are over inflated and skewed by those who have an antigun, anti-constitutional agenda.

If you really want to save lives why not ban cars & drivers licenses since more than 55,000 lives are lost each year using these killing machines. Why not prohibit people under 25 or over 65 from driving since these two groups statistically cause more accidents...

Heck why not close all the hospitals too since another 200,000 lives are lost each year by medical mistakes. For that matter lets get rid of skateboards & bicycles too... how about banning cigarettes & alcohol while your at it...

While we're at it, let's ban sex, it causes 1.3 million lives to be lost annualy.

[Ira]

Emotional hot air? You gotta be kidding!

These are the FACTS and the NUMBERS!!!

One of the big problems with this country is that a lot of people here think that we are the best! We are superior to EVERYONE! How dare anyone challenge these principals!

We are the LAUGHING STOCK of the entire world on this issue, and for good reason. Every yardstick on gun violence clearly demonstrates and proves that the U.S STINKS!!!!

But again--emotional hot air?

If a loved one of yours was killed by a handgun, you would change your position on this in a heartbeat. But because it hasn't hapened to you (thankfully), you don't seem to give a CRAP about the thousands of people that it HAS happened to. And all of the destroyed families.

But I inquired about the 72-hour waiting period from the pro-gun lobby here, and didn't get an answer.

Or is that too EMOTIONAL for you?

And Kevin:

Using an analogy of banning sex to this topic is pretty much what I expected to hear from you. We're not supposed to attack other forum members here personally, and that makes sense. But I think we can attack their views:

I like sex a lot, but the only person I'm hurting is the one I'm having it wth. Not hurting her physically, because I'm not a braggart and a liar, but instead, hurting her emotionally, having to satisfy my disgusting physical needs.

And Bill, equating deaths in HOSPITALS with this issue!?

Come on guys--please put a LITTLE thought into your arguments here.

Jesus effin Christ. These posts are PITIFUL when we're trying to have a factual discussion about people owning guns.

[Miriam C.]

Jesus effin Christ. These posts are PITIFUL when we're trying to have a factual discussion about people owning guns.

I thought the topic was about "did people carry and why, or was it necessary." Didn't read a thing in the question about was it right. Kevins right....sex causes a whole lot of deaths each year, both from disease and from fights. I think if we didn't have guns more people would die from other things.

I don't carry when in the company of people I trust to jump in and help.....and I saw nothing at Minden to change that opinion. I also don't care if others carry. Surly we won't all go crazy and start shooting innocent people.

[doug hodder]

I believe that Kevin is referring to the number of unwanted pregnancies that end up as abortions annually in the US. Doug

[sandysocks]

i'd rather die than kill someone.

But this has gone…way off topic for me… I was just curious how many carried while camping and if they though it was necessary…

Looks like a 1/4 carry at least occasionally to the campgrounds (bet all you non carriers didn’t know that did ya?)

Thanks all for being honust.

Just to throw a monkey wrench into this lively conversation, I've ran into several bears and I have yet to run into a crazed looney with a gun. So I carry the large size of one of these:

http://www.udap.com/

The way I see it, if a crazed looney shoots at me I can duck behind a tree and blast him, then walk up to him and take his gun.

P.S. for the couple of you who said you carry guns for bear protection, you should read up on the subject - shooting at a bear is asking for an attack according to many.

[Kankujoe]

Emotional hot air? You gotta be kidding!

These are the FACTS and the NUMBERS!!!

One of the big problems with this country is that a lot of people here think that we are the best! We are superior to EVERYONE! How dare anyone challenge these principals!

We are the LAUGHING STOCK of the entire world on this issue, and for good reason. Every yardstick on gun violence clearly demonstrates and proves that the U.S STINKS!!!!

But again--emotional hot air?

If a loved one of yours was killed by a handgun, you would change your position on this in a heartbeat. But because it hasn't hapened to you (thankfully), you don't seem to give a CRAP about the thousands of people that it HAS happened to. And all of the destroyed families.

But I inquired about the 72-hour waiting period from the pro-gun lobby here, and didn't get an answer.

Or is that too EMOTIONAL for you?

And Kevin:

Using an analogy of banning sex to this topic is pretty much what I expected to hear from you. We're not supposed to attack other forum members here personally, and that makes sense. But I think we can attack their views:

I like sex a lot, but the only person I'm hurting is the one I'm having it wth. Not hurting her physically, because I'm not a braggart and a liar, but instead, hurting her emotionally, having to satisfy my disgusting physical needs.

And Bill, equating deaths in HOSPITALS with this issue!?

Come on guys--please put a LITTLE thought into your arguments here.

Jesus effin Christ. These posts are PITIFUL when we're trying to have a factual discussion about people owning guns.

No emotions in my points... calm-hard cold facts here...

In my 20 plus years as a physician, not to mention my years in training, I've seen hundreds of people (and families) who have lost loved ones (or been maimed or severly injured) via, cars, bicycles, motorcycles, boats, skateboards, cigarettes, alcohol, medical screw-ups, and yes even sex... The numbers are so upside down with these compared to firearms accidents its laughable to even try to make a comparison...

Those related to firearms accidents maybe a few... those who have been killed, injured or maimed by some scumbag with a gun, knife or other weapon dozens...

Your opinion/statistics in other countries is also very skewed... in Europe gun violence & other violence is on the rise (as in most of Europe, Asia & Africa) and guns are "banned" in these countries... me thinks you've been reading too much AARP political tripe...

Criminals & bad guys will always get guns somehow... trying to legislate away law-abiding citizens constitional rights to self-protection & protection of their loved ones is foolish at best and at its basis is immoral...

[Miriam C.]

I believe that Kevin is referring to the number of unwanted pregnancies that end up as abortions annually in the US. Doug

I know! But sex doesn't cause that. That is an issue of values so I mentioned those directly caused by sex.

[rbonner]

:thumbsup: Yep
Do I care if you care Nope
Could you cahnge my mind Nope
Bill

I really like this guy! Straightforward and to the point.

[doug hodder]

P.S. for the couple of you who said you carry guns for bear protection, you should read up on the subject - shooting at a bear is asking for an attack according to many.

Socks...I think that is the secret....don't ask for the attack, use your head and be aware of your situation. I've done surveying on Kodiak Island in Alaska via helicopter and seen the big browns in the wild, while on the ground, as well as surveying up near Fairbanks Ak in Grizzly territory. We always had an equalizer with us. Plunking at one at any distance is a waste of time and only gives you away. But if it came down to "maul" time, or any up close and personal contact...I think I'd rather have a pistol on me than a good sense of humor and a PETA T shirt....Doug

[Leon]

... I mentioned those directly caused by sex.

Like the injuries suffered when jumping out a window because the husband came home early

[Nitetimes]

Ira before you start spouting off about how great it is in other countries without guns you might want to take a look at the rise in crime in said countries after guns were ban. Not only did it rise but it most of them it rose by hundreds of percents. Removing guns from society only gives the criminals an easier time of it. That is just simple fact whether you choose to believe it or not. Accidents will always happen be they cars, guns, falling off a sidewalk or whatever, banning something won't change that fact. Considering that a gun is the least likely thing you are likely to get hurt with banning them is a rather foolish idea just because a few of you have no use for them.
It never ceases to amaze me how a couple of idiots with a gun here and there seem to cause a mass panic, start waiting periods, background checks and what not but an idiot on a cell phone in a car killing a whole family, his/hers or someone elses hardly even gets an eyebrow raised.