Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize

[Kurt (Indiana)]

CD, truth be known, the "surplus" was an estimated paper figure that was based on a fake economy. The ".com" industry as well as NASDAQ literally disintigrated because it was severly over extended.

I don't think liberals are stupid or uneducated.
Let's face it- most people in politics will spin anything to make there point.

Have you seen Harry Reid's address (12:00 today) to the Senate? He is basically trying to take credit for the $2,100,100.00 figure bid on the "smear" letter to Limbaugh's network?
I'd be embarrased to side with him.

Politics is in sad shape when the Senate of the USA can single out a citizen and try to destroy him and try to take credit for the popularity of the adverse reaction. (free speech)?? Surely we can all agree on that.

[caseydog]

CD, truth be known, the "surplus" was an estimated paper figure that was based on a fake economy. The ".com" industry as well as NASDAQ literally disintigrated because it was severly over extended.

I don't think liberals are stupid or uneducated.
Let's face it- most people in politics will spin anything to make there point.

Have you seen Harry Reid's address (12:00 today) to the Senate? He is basically trying to take credit for the $2,100,100.00 figure bid on the "smear" letter to Limbaugh's network?
I'd be embarrased to side with him.

Politics is in sad shape when the Senate of the USA can single out a citizen and try to destroy him and try to take credit for the popularity of the adverse reaction. (free speech)?? Surely we can all agree on that.

I have no interest in a stupid eBay auction of a Rush Limbaugh letter, but calling Rush Limbaugh a citizen in the way that you and I are citizens is a stretch. He is a celebrity, like Barbara Streisand, only in Rush's case, his whole livelihood is based on making political commentary. He put's himself in the hot seat, and want's to complain about the heat?

Actually, Rush is milking this letter and subsequent auction for all it's worth as a publicity stunt. Perhaps he does owe Harry Reid some gratitude.

And I have heard many times from conservatives that the "Hollywood Elites" should shut up. If Rush is a citizen exercising "free speech", is Alec Baldwin something other than a citizen exercising free speech when he speaks?

Congress took pretty much a full day to scold MoveOn for a less than tasteful headline in an ad. They basically put aside all the other business before them to "attack" a political organization for engaging in "free speech."

CD

[Kurt (Indiana)]

CD, truth be known, the "surplus" was an estimated paper figure that was based on a fake economy. The ".com" industry as well as NASDAQ literally disintigrated because it was severly over extended.

I don't think liberals are stupid or uneducated.
Let's face it- most people in politics will spin anything to make there point.

Have you seen Harry Reid's address (12:00 today) to the Senate? He is basically trying to take credit for the $2,100,100.00 figure bid on the "smear" letter to Limbaugh's network?
I'd be embarrased to side with him.

Politics is in sad shape when the Senate of the USA can single out a citizen and try to destroy him and try to take credit for the popularity of the adverse reaction. (free speech)?? Surely we can all agree on that.

I have no interest in a stupid eBay auction of a Rush Limbaugh letter, but calling Rush Limbaugh a citizen in the way that you and I are citizens is a stretch. He is a celebrity, like Barbara Streisand, only in Rush's case, his whole livelihood is based on making political commentary. He put's himself in the hot seat, and want's to complain about the heat?

Actually, Rush is milking this letter and subsequent auction for all it's worth as a publicity stunt. Perhaps he does owe Harry Reid some gratitude.

And I have heard many times from conservatives that the "Hollywood Elites" should shut up. If Rush is a citizen exercising "free speech", is Alec Baldwin something other than a citizen exercising free speech when he speaks?

Congress took pretty much a full day to scold MoveOn for a less than tasteful headline in an ad. They basically put aside all the other business before them to "attack" a political organization for engaging in "free speech."

CD

"attack" a political organization for engaging in "free speech."

So there is no difference between an "organization" and a "private citizen" (entertainer, politition or not)?

I'm still embarrased for you. (I'm trying to compassionate)

The whole scene is getting sicker by the minute.

Let's hope that smart people (wherever the heck they are), can resolve the bloodshed in our political system.

I'm not proud of any of them. If you can be then so be it. That's the choice we all have.

Peace

[caseydog]

:D Joseph,

You are trying to argue logically with a liberal. Kinda fun, but a total waste of time. If the facts get in the way, they resort to rhetoric, hyperbole and total misdirection. And if that doesn't work, then they make up the facts to meet their needs. And if all else fails, they resort to name calling.

Good luck!

Isn't this post equal to name calling?

Although, I will agree that trying to use conservative logic in a discussion with a liberal is pointless. Liberal logic is reality-based.

CD

[caseydog]

Kurt, I personally think that both the Rush "Smear" Letter and the MoveOn headline brouhaha are non events. I didn't waste my time following either of those stories.

I don't blame that kind of nonsense on politics, but rather on the "infotainment" industry, AKA TV News, and our society's eagerness to get wrapped up in trivialities, instead of focussing on real issues.

It has been my experience that conservatives get more wrapped up in ideologies and dogma, but that's just my observation. The fact that millions of conservatives enjoy Rush Limbaugh's vitriolic commentary, while liberals have rejected liberal radio shows of the same nature as Rush's, could be seen as supporting evidence my own observations.

If Al Gore is a liberal superstar, and Rush Limbaugh is a conservative hero, how do they compare? When I compare "An Inconvenient Truth" to an episode of "The Rush Limbagh Show", I find it hard to reach a conclusion that liberals are not logical, or resort to hyperbole and name-calling, while conservatives present thoughtful arguments in a fair and balanced format.

CD

[Kurt (Indiana)]

Kurt, I personally think that both the Rush "Smear" Letter and the MoveOn headline brouhaha are non events. I didn't waste my time following either of those stories.

I don't blame that kind of nonsense on politics, but rather on the "infotainment" industry, AKA TV News, and our society's eagerness to get wrapped up in trivialities, instead of focussing on real issues.

It has been my experience that conservatives get more wrapped up in ideologies and dogma, but that's just my observation. The fact that millions of conservatives enjoy Rush Limbaugh's vitriolic commentary, while liberals have rejected liberal radio shows of the same nature as Rush's, could be seen as supporting evidence my own observations.

If Al Gore is a liberal superstar, and Rush Limbaugh is a conservative hero, how do they compare? When I compare "An Inconvenient Truth" to an episode of "The Rush Limbagh Show", I find it hard to reach a conclusion that liberals are not logical, or resort to hyperbole and name-calling, while conservatives present thoughtful arguments in a fair and balanced format.

CD

"I didn't waste my time following either of those stories."

I've got a feeling you did but you're not saying so.
You sound like an experienced "blogger". (not name calling)

It's always incredible to me that people can differ so much and on such hard lines.

As far as AL goes, his data in manipulated to his end just like every one else does who has an agenda. He's certainly not the ulimate voice on nature. (Inconvenient -yes)
Try to remember that the "Team" here is the USA. You can play on your squad and others on their squad but the whole team suffers if we don't ALL win.

I hope you're not at work wasting all of this time responding to such senseless arguments. I'm on vacation today.

Over and out

[Miriam C.]

And Back to Al Gore. Funny how these things end up Liberal vs Conservative as groups when we are all individuals and what we all stand for overlaps in many areas.

For instance we all agree on
Protection for children.
Free camping
Free speech - in general
Free to move about as we please
Safety from abuse or crime
Secure borders

Anyone care to join the

Oh and Free Buds for Ira.

[Kurt (Indiana)]

And Back to Al Gore. Funny how these things end up Liberal vs Conservative as groups when we are all individuals and what we all stand for overlaps in many areas.

For instance we all agree on
Protection for children.
Free camping
Free speech - in general
Free to move about as we please
Safety from abuse or crime
Secure borders

Anyone care to join the

Oh and Free Buds for Ira.

Auntie M. thanks for re-focusing. I won't be surprised to find that some things on the list will not be agreed to by all.

It won't be free Buds for Ira either.

You are right, we need to play together and for the same causes. "Humans are funny people" sometimes.

For instance we all agree on:
Protection for children.
Free camping
Free speech - in general
Free to move about as we please
Safety from abuse or crime
Secure borders

Plus

Freedom of religion (not from religion)
Capitolism
Free choice
The right to protest (I do it at the voting booth-not in a mob)
Victim's rights (not criminal's rights)

Can any one add anything:

I'll bet we agree on a lot more than we disagree on.
It's a lot harder to agree than disagree.

[caseydog]

And Back to Al Gore. Funny how these things end up Liberal vs Conservative as groups when we are all individuals and what we all stand for overlaps in many areas.

For instance we all agree on
Protection for children.
Free camping
Free speech - in general
Free to move about as we please
Safety from abuse or crime
Secure borders

Anyone care to join the

Oh and Free Buds for Ira.

Auntie M. thanks for re-focusing. I won't be surprised to find that some things on the list will not be agreed to by all.

It won't be free Buds for Ira either.

You are right, we need to play together and for the same causes. "Humans are funny people" sometimes.

For instance we all agree on:
Protection for children.
Free camping
Free speech - in general
Free to move about as we please
Safety from abuse or crime
Secure borders

Plus

Freedom of religion (not from religion)
Capitolism
Free choice
The right to protest (I do it at the voting booth-not in a mob)
Victim's rights (not criminal's rights)

Can any one add anything:

I'll bet we agree on a lot more than we disagree on.
It's a lot harder to agree than disagree.

To me, it's a balancing act. And, it's about ideology versus reality.

We agree that capitalism is a great system, but unregulated, capitalism gets corrupted by greedy and unscrupulous participants. So, then the issue becomes, in reality, deciding how much regulation is needed, and what they should be.

Ideologues will try to frame the debate as capitalism vs. socialism, to play on people's emotions. But in reality, properly regulated capitalism is still capitalism.

I'm not sure what you mean by "(not freedom from religion)," but I can't see how you can have freedom OF religion, and not allow freedom FROM religion to individuals. To me, freedom of religion grants all the freedom to choose what to believe, or even to hold no religious beliefs.

Even the use of the term "criminal's rights" is an emotionally charged misrepresentation of what are actually "rights of the ACCUSED" in American Justice.

And, really, I had to google "Rush Smear Letter" before I could comment on it today. I really don't follow stuff like that. I only knew about the "MoveOn" fiasco because I couldn't avoid it. It got too much coverage.

And, it's a slow day at work, so I can "waste it" on you folks.

CD

[Mike C.]

:D Joseph,

You are trying to argue logically with a liberal. Kinda fun, but a total waste of time. If the facts get in the way, they resort to rhetoric, hyperbole and total misdirection. And if that doesn't work, then they make up the facts to meet their needs. And if all else fails, they resort to name calling.

Good luck!

Isn't this post equal to name calling?

Although, I will agree that trying to use conservative logic in a discussion with a liberal is pointless. Liberal logic is reality-based.

CD

Liberal logic? Isn't that an oxymoron? BTW for all you liberals " oxymoron" is not name calling.

[Joseph]

Oh and Free Buds for Ira.

I'll be happy to buy Ira a few Buds at a gathering. Just don't use my tax dollars for them!

Joseph

[Kurt (Indiana)]

And, really, I had to google "Rush Smear Letter" before I could comment on it today. I really don't follow stuff like that. I only knew about the "MoveOn" fiasco because I couldn't avoid it. It got too much coverage.

And, it's a slow day at work, so I can "waste it" on you folks.

CD

I was intending to stop the conversation but ,CD, you really need to keep up with the world out there . After all it is the reality of the world in media, and you deal with reality (not ideology).
If you saw the Reid/Limbaugh exchange and the followup you would see what fools and buffoons make up your leadership.
Sorry but I simply can't believe that people (who are so smart) can follow these people like little sheep to the slaughter house.

You need to hear the other side of the issues. So sorry, but this time the "Declaration of Incompetence" has been shown to the world thanks to Harry and the 41 others who signed it.

Shame is not good enough for them. You should "waste your time" on people who can't think.

[Ira]

Since my name has come up here in a few posts, I have a simple question for the neocons here who supprt Bush, and who trash Gore and Clinton.

And although you may not want to consider yourself a neocon, that is indeed the case with many of you. Yeah, it's an ugly label that you may hate to wear because you know it stinks.

Unlike the "liberal" label, which I'm PROUD to wear.

What is Gore's "agenda" that I see mentioned above? As if he's using this "agenda" for some dark, political purpose. Yet he's not running, and chances are, he'll never run again.

So??? What's the point here with this? Does intelligence and enlightenment scare you THAT much that you're still bashing the guy? And you STILL think that GW rates above total retard on any standardized retardation tests?

Gore wins the Nobel Peace Prize, and Bush is lucky to pass 3rd grade English--pass it n college, no less.

And the ONLY reason he got into Yale in the frst place is because daddy went there and daddy had power..

Is anyone listening? Does anyone see? Does anyone CARE that this piece of garbage is responsible for the deaths of thousands upon thousands of American soldiers in Iraq? A stupid, ill-conceived war--that has NOTHING to do with 9/11? Yet these s-bags are STILL trying to make their point by implyingmaking a connection that never existed in the first place?'

I mean, Republicans, please:

How many American deaths are too many for you? Where you finally say, "I think it's time we pull out."

My guess is that it's only ONE death:

The death of YOUR child.

[Dean in Eureka, CA]

Ira,
What does all this mean to me?...
... The Nobel Peace Prize award is pretty much meaningless these days or they were lacking on nominees this year.

[starleen2]

And, it's about ideology versus reality.

Ideology can get you fired! The reality is that we get paid to do things. Money drives us and we need capitalism to survive. When I was in seminary, I could not believe the outrageous liberal writers and their theological slant. Liberal theology, Feminine theology, Black theology, urban theology, rural theology, etc. TOO Many radical authors that we were required to read. But soon I realized one thing. The more outrageous and controversial you are – the more books you sell and the more in demand you are for speaking engagements. No one wants to hear middle of the road rhetoric – that why we have both sides of the extremes represented.

For some of us, just waking up in the morning is a major issue. For others, it is the color of their fingernails that day. Yet to others, it is making themselves look good by putting others down. To us, these are not issues, they are just annoyances. To be a real issue, it must impact not only your daily life today, but also your future. To have the ability to foresee the future would be nice, but not possible. Instead, we must watch, and digest everything

Today we have the neocons, the Reids, the Limbaughs, the Imus’, and so on. Really, would anyone listen to them if they were in the American middle? -that why they are where they are. Tomorrow - who knows what the contoversy will be?? Lets face it we like the extremes and the extremes raise money for the other side because we become so inflamed at their remarks and willing to give to counter their comments. BTW, I refuse to use Styrofoam plates and cups – Just can’t bear the thought of them cutting down another Styrofoam tree! Do I hear Nobel prize??