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Postby Dixie Flyer » Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:25 am

Gas Prices Rise to New National Record
Tuesday March 11, 11:14 am ET
By John Wilen, AP Business Writer
Gas Prices Rise to New National Record, Driven by Crude Oil's Own Record-Breaking Rally

NEW YORK (AP) -- The cost of filling up the family car jumped to a record high Tuesday, adding to the challenges consumers already face with falling home values and rising food prices.

Gas prices at the pump rose overnight to a record national average of $3.2272 a gallon, according to AAA and the Oil Price Information Service. That's a tad higher than the previous record of $3.2265, set last May.

A year ago, rising demand and a string of refinery outages had raised concerns about supplies. Now, the soaring price of crude oil is the culprit, propelling gas higher even though supplies are at 15-year highs.

On Tuesday, light sweet crude for April delivery surged to a new record of $109.72 :x :thumbdown: :x on the New York Mercantile Exchange before falling after the International Energy Agency cut its forecasts for crude consumption this year. In morning trading, crude futures fell 62 cents to $107.28 a barrel.

Where oil goes from here is anybody's guess. Many analysts expect prices to moderate, while others predict oil could keep rising to $120 a barrel, or higher. And with demand for gas expected to rise as warm weather arrives, analysts say prices will likely spike as high as $3.50 to $3.75 a gallon, regardless of what happens with oil prices.

That doesn't sit well with some consumers.

"I've got to say, if they ever go up to $3.50, that would be the point where I'd feel angry," said Alex Magby, a Morrisville, Pa., resident who was gassing up near his New Jersey restaurant job one recent afternoon. "I'd feel cheated at that point."
Still, because gas is so expensive, analysts expect demand for fuel will rise more slowly this spring and summer than in previous years. Nationwide demand for gasoline is off by about 1 percent over the last 6 weeks, a trend analysts expect to accelerate if prices keep rising.

"It evokes a real reaction in demand destruction above $3.25 a gallon," Kloza said.

The effect can be seen in states such as California, where prices are consistently 30 cents higher than the national average. Last November, the latest month for which data is available, demand for gasoline fell by 3.7 percent from the previous year in California as prices soared past $3.40 a gallon.

On Tuesday, the average price of a gallon of gas in California stood at $3.581 a gallon. Prices have already passed the $4 mark at many stations nationwide. But Tom Kloza, publisher and chief oil analyst at the Oil Price Information Service in Wall, N.J., thinks slower demand growth will prevent the national average from rising that high.

High gas prices may actually help some companies that rely on tourism. Carl Wilgus, executive director of the Pocono Mountains Visitors Bureau, said the number of skiers visiting the Pennsylvania ski region this winter was up, despite gas prices holding steady above $3 for most of that time. In part, that's because many people plan vacations closer to home when fuel is so expensive, he said, giving up a trip to Florida in favor of a ski vacation an hour away, he said.

"We'll definitely lose some visitation, but hopefully we'll gain some from the folks who hope to stay closer to home," Wilgus said.

The sheer price of gassing a recreational vehicle may induce some to look for campgrounds closer to home this summer. At $3.50 a gallon, a 100-gallon Winnebago Destination RV will cost $350 to fill, $27 more than right now, and $96 more than a year ago.

Other energy futures also fell Tuesday. April heating oil futures fell 2.82 cents to $2.9452 a gallon while April gasoline futures fell 3.23 cents to $2.6826 a gallon.

April natural gas futures fell 6.5 cents to $9.959 per 1,000 cubic feet after.

In London, April Brent crude futures fell 47 cents to trade at $103.69 a barrel :x
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Postby caseydog » Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:31 pm

angib wrote:
sonar37 wrote:I think electric and hydrogen will be the future

I think hydrogen is what the manufacturers would like to be the future - exactly the same vehicle as now, plus a (expensive?) hydrogen storage tank. But hydrogen is just a battery that's as quick to recharge as a gas tank - you still need to generate the electricity, which means extra generating stations, and what will drive them? If it's energy independence you're after, won't they have to be coal-burning? Does the US have enough domestic coal to do that? Of course this assumes that the huge increase in carbon emissions (coal-to-electricity-to-hydrogen-to-mechanical is at least three times as bad as oil-to-mechancial) is acceptable. Dang nabbit, energy issues are never simple!

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We have a lot of coal. However, that is not clean energy, even though the coal industry is trying to sell us on it. There is a big new ad campaign out here to get us happy, happy about coal. There is a lot of money to be made trashing the environment, and coal is the best.

I'm sure you remember, Andrew, what buildings in London used to look like from centuries of coal use. Today's coal burning doesn't turn buildings black, but the CO2 emissions are high.

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Postby satch » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:32 pm

Here in Cali, we have different formulas for different seasons, the summer blend cost more to refine (so they claim), seems like they will raise prices, here, for any reason, summer time, prices up, refinery down for maintenance, prices up, world demand, prices up, prince of saudi farts, prices up etc.... 8) :x
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Postby caseydog » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:03 pm

satch wrote:Here in Cali, we have different formulas for different seasons, the summer blend cost more to refine (so they claim), seems like they will raise prices, here, for any reason, summer time, prices up, refinery down for maintenance, prices up, world demand, prices up, prince of saudi farts, prices up etc.... 8) :x


In all areas with above average pollution, the gasoline is "oxygenated" in some form to burn cleaner. So, that part about the "summer formula" is not BS. We have the same rules in the major cities in Texas (the most polluted State in the US).

They used to use MTBE, but that was found to be more of a problem than the pollution, so now they add ethanol here. I don't know what the blend is in California.
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Postby satch » Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:16 pm

MTBE was banned years ago here, not sure what they use now, maybe gold dust, seeing how much it go's up.
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Postby asianflava » Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:24 am

I thought oxygenated gas was the "winter blend". On both my new truck and my old Mazda, I noticed worse fuel economy with the "winter blend".
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Postby Claw » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:35 am

I got an email from a friend enjoying the good life on the road living fulltime in his fifthwheel RV. He has Alaska as a goal this summer.
"As part of our visit to the Sierras we have been to the Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks. It is a perfect time to visit as there are very few people, no traffic, mild temperatures, and are in transition from winter to spring. We used some of the California $4.19 Diesel to get from our campsite to over 5,000 feet (Picture 3) and then up to over 6,500 feet where the temperature went into the low 50s. "
Maybe a blessing of the perceived high fuel prices is that it will keep the less inclined home this summer.
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Postby TLC » Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:39 pm

Today while filling my truck @ $2.29 per gallon, they were changing the sign to $2.39 per gallon. No end in sight!!
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Postby signs » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:23 pm

TLC wrote:Today while filling my truck @ $2.29 per gallon, they were changing the sign to $2.39 per gallon. No end in sight!!
Tom


do you mean $3.29 and $3.39

if not i am on my way, a couple of 55 gallon drums and that trip may be profitable.

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Postby satch » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:00 pm

signs wrote:
TLC wrote:Today while filling my truck @ $2.29 per gallon, they were changing the sign to $2.39 per gallon. No end in sight!!
Tom


do you mean $3.29 and $3.39

if not i am on my way, a couple of 55 gallon drums and that trip may be profitable.

Jay

:lol: I'm right behind you!! :lol:
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Postby sonar37 » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:24 am

I wonder if one of those new electric cars can pull a tear any distance??? :lol: At these fuel prices I'll be camping in my driveway :cry:
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Postby Claw » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:47 pm

sonar37 wrote: At these fuel prices I'll be camping in my driveway :cry:


:( At these prices $> I'll have to give up :beer: and :chips: to afford gas to :vroom:
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Postby coal_burner » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:36 am

get a diesel powered Golf/Jetta/Beetle.
They can tow a 1500 pound teardrop, and still average 45 mpg around town.
I average 37-40 mpg when towing my trailer on the freeway, but i speed ALOT.
Now if diesel wasn't $4.19 in my area i would be set.
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Re: diesel

Postby Kurt (Indiana) » Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:36 am

coal_burner wrote:get a diesel powered Golf/Jetta/Beetle.
They can tow a 1500 pound teardrop, and still average 45 mpg around town.
I average 37-40 mpg when towing my trailer on the freeway, but i speed ALOT.
Now if diesel wasn't $4.19 in my area i would be set.


I had a diesel Jetta in 1984. Terrific milage but very noisy and dirty. Got 54mpg on highway(@55mph). The diesel fuel cost really makes it hard to justify today.
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Postby Kens » Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:17 pm

Just bought gas an hour ago 3.29 in sw Pa. :(
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